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                                                    Volume 1 • Issue 8 • Winter 2018

          New Zealand’s Defence and National Security Magazine

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CONTENTS
Editor’s Note                                                    DEFENCE
Welcome to the Winter 2018 issue of Line of Defence
Magazine. With this issue, we’re proud to be celebrating two
years – and eight issues – of Line of Defence!
    I’d like to take this opportunity to especially thank our
expert contributors – leaders in their fields in academia,
business, government and the military, and the driving
force behind the magazine’s recognition as the premier
publication for New Zealand’s defence and national security
sector.
    In Defence, much has happened in recent weeks, not
least the release of the Defence Strategic Policy Statement
and the Review of Defence Procurement Policies and
                                                                 6    Olympus launches new portable, powerful
Practices for Major Capability Projects. There’s also been
                                                                      videoscope
the announcement that the government will be purchasing
four P-8A Poseidons, putting an end to a long run of
                                                                 8    Clock ticking on defence procurement decisions
speculation . In this issue we offer some initial perspectives
on the DSPS.
                                                                 10   The KC-390 and E2: a fleet mix fit for New
    Weighing in on procurement, Hon. Dr Wayne Mapp talks
                                                                      Zealand
capability projects, and we are again joined by Minister of
Defence Hon. Ron Mark and opposition spokesperson Hon.
                                                                 13   Defence Minister: Big decisions not taken lightly
Mark Mitchell who offer contending views on what we can
expect in this space. Please bear in mind that these articles
                                                                 14   Into the Blue – an Interview with Air Vice-Marshal
were penned prior to both the release of the DSPS and the
                                                                      Tony Davies, Chief of Air Force
P-8A announcement.
    In the latest instalment of his services chiefs series, Dr
                                                                 17   Big year for GA-ASI Remotely Piloted Aircraft
Peter Greener interviews Chief of Air Force AVM Tony Davies
about the important challenges facing the RNZAF; Nicholas
                                                                 18   NZDIA Forum: Exploring the Role of Imdustry in
Borroz looks at the militarisation of space; and we interview
                                                                      National and Regional Security
figures at the forefront of Defence-Industry partnership and
innovation on both sides of the Tasman: NZDF Chief Joint
                                                                 20   Defence short-changed as decisions delayed
Defence Services Charlie Lott and CAPT Greg Laxton of the
Royal Australian Navy.
                                                                 21   In defence of New Zealand values: Defence
    In this National Security Conference special issue of
                                                                      Strategic Policy Statement released
Line of Defence, we feature a specially curated collection
of articles arising from presentations at the recent National
                                                                 22   Chief Joint Defence Services Charlie Lott:
Security Conference hosted by Massey University’s Centre
                                                                      Engagement, innovation and ‘failing forward’
for Defence and Security Studies. Special issue guest editor
Dr William Hoverd has brought together a fantastic line-up
                                                                 24   Starting with ‘why’: creating an innovation
headlined with an address by Justice Minister and Minister
                                                                      culture between Defence and Industry
Responsible for the GCSB and NZSIS, Hon Andrew Little.
    Among the articles, Dr John Battersby discusses counter
                                                                 26   NZDF Engineering, Science and Technology
terrorism in New Zealand, Dr Bryson Pain explains the
                                                                      Conference
expanding role of cyber in national security, Josie Pagani
looks at the Pacific Reset, Dr Scott Hauger considers the
                                                                 27   Ministry of Defence industry web portal proves
security implications for New Zealand of climate change, Dr
                                                                      popular
Reuben Steff weighs in on North Korea, and that’s just for
starters.
                                                                 28   Militarising Space Threatens Its
    Our Spring issue will be at the NZDIA Annual Forum
                                                                      Commercialisation
again this year, and we’ll be previewing some of the
best bits with commentary from the NZDIA and features
with several key presenters. To be held this year in
Palmerston North, the forum is set to be bigger than ever,
encompassing the important roles that Defence, Industry
and a range of government agencies play in national and
regional security.
See you there!
                                             Nicholas Dynon
                                                   Auckland

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Olympus launches new
portable, powerful videoscope
Olympus is pleased to announce the                                                 tip of the videoscope is fitted with
launch of the IPLEX G Lite industrial                                              a very small camera and can be
videoscope featuring powerful imaging                                              freely manipulated, making these
capabilities and a small, rugged                                                   instruments ideal for tasks such as
body. Lightweight and able to go                                                   periodic maintenance or inspecting a
almost anywhere, the IPLEX G Lite                                                  component’s quality.
videoscope provides users working                                                      Ease of use has been improved in
in challenging environments with a                                                 the IPLEX G with the adoption of a
remote visual inspection tool that has                                             touch panel monitor and electrically
the image quality and ease of use to get                                           operated scope tip bending, enabling
the job done.                                                                      users to complete inspections more
    The IPLEX G Lite is the successor                                              quickly. New recording and playback
to the compact and lightweight IPLEX                                               functions have also been added;
UltraLite model, and can be used to                                                including constant video recording and
capture images inside aircraft engines,                                            the ability to add bookmarks to save
piping, and other equipment without                                                time during video reviews and find
the need for disassembly. With two                                                 critical moments quickly.
times the brightness of its predecessor,                                               When inspecting in oily
the IPLEX G is also suitable for a                                                 environments, getting oil on the
                                           IPLEX G Lite videoscope
variety of applications within the                                                 scope’s lens can make it difficult to
security industry and clean energy         accompanied by the use of industrial    see. To address this, the IPLEX G Lite
sector, including wind turbines.           videoscopes for equipment inspections   is equipped with a new oil clearing
    According to Jack Zhang, RVI           as these instruments can be used to     tip adaptor that uses capillary action
Product General Manager at Olympus         conduct inspections without the need    to draw oil away from the lens. The
Asia Pacific, “Recent years have seen      for disassembly.”                       grooves on the oil clearing tip adapter
an increasing emphasis on safety               The IPLEX G Lite is small and       drain unnecessary oil quickly and image
management and quality assurance           lightweight making it easy to use       keeps clean and visible, preventing your
in fields such as aerospace, security      with one hand, while also featuring     inspection being suspended.
and architecture. This has been            enhanced image processing. The              “The IPLEX G Lite also has an
                                                                                   option that allows users to switch the
                                                                                   light source from LED to infrared
                                                                                   (IR) or ultraviolet (UV) illumination.
                                                                                   IR is a very important feature,
                                                                                   particularly for the security industry,
                                                                                   capturing images in the dark while UV
                                                                                   is used to detect fine scratches that
                                                                                   are hard to see with the naked eye,”
                                                                                   explained Zhang.
                                                                                       Along with these performance
                                                                                   features, the IPLEX G videoscope is
                                                                                   designed to meet IP65 standards and
                                                                                   U.S Military Defense testing (MIL-
                                                                                   STD) to support its use for accurate
                                                                                   and efficient inspection work, even
                                                                                   under harsh conditions.

                                                                                   For further information, please
                                                                                   visit: https://www.olympus-ims.
                                                                                   com/en/rvi-products/iplex-g-lite/#!
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The Powerful,
Portable Videoscope

NEW

Ultra-Portable Videoscope
                                    Automotive         Wind Turbine
• LED Illumination
• 60 Frames Per Second
• Interchangeable Illumination

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Clock ticking on defence
procurement decisions
New Zealand has a habit of deferring major equipment purchases as long as possible, writes
former Defence Minister Wayne Mapp, and a decision on the ANZAC frigate replacement
may be left to the next government.

     The 2018 budget gave the Ministry            So, serious decisions need to be               One of my concerns as Minister
of Defence 25 percent more money.             made soon. They are at the heart of the        of Defence from 2008 to 2011 was to
That usually means a boost in staff           review of the Capability Plan.                 sequence major purchases – those that
numbers specialising in procurement.              Anyone with even a passing                 cost in excess of $1 billion – so that a
It is an indication that the government       knowledge of defence recognises that           government would only be faced with
is gearing up to make some big                the New Zealand Defence Force has to           one major procurement decision in any
equipment purchases for the Defence           have long range transport able to deliver      one parliamentary term. Preferably the
Force.                                        cargo and personnel across thousands of        decision would be made in the first
     So far, we have not heard how            miles. With one of the largest Exclusive       or second year of the three-year term,
the government’s review of the 2016           Economic Zones in the world, coupled           rather than in election year.
Capability Plan is going. But the results     with sovereign interests in the Pacific            The Defence Review of 2010,
can’t be too far away.                        and the Antarctic, maritime surveillance       which was largely confirmed by the
     New Zealand has a habit of               is an essential task.                          2016 Defence Review, forecast a
deferring major equipment purchases               Replacing the C130s will be an             sequence of replacements for delivery
as along as possible. But eventually          easy decision to make. No party in             from 2018 to 2030. One of the major
time runs out. The Air Force’s major          Parliament, even the quasi-pacifist            purchases needed to have been made
aircraft, the P3 Orion and the C130           Green Party, will object to that.              in the last parliamentary term, but
Hercules, are now both nearly 50 years            The logical replacement for a              because that did not happen, there is
old. Even the last upgrades happened          Hercules is a Hercules. But the somewhat       a real prospect that the two aircraft
ten years ago.                                larger and longer range A400M will also        decisions will need to be made in the
                                              have a strong claim. The extra range           next three years.
                                              will be particularly useful for Antarctic          Even then, delivery would not
                                              flights. Either way, this is a decision that   occur much before 2025. This is quite a
                                              one could reasonably expect in the next        dilemma for the current government.
                                              two or three years.                                There are in fact three major
                                                  The Orion replacement is more              defence acquisitions to be made. The
                                              difficult. Again, there is a logical           third is the frigate replacement. It
                                              replacement: the Poseidon P8. But              will be the last of the three major
                                              the cost is eye wateringly expensive at        acquisitions, but it also has the longest
                                              around $500 million per aircraft. There        delivery time. New ships will be needed
                                              is also the fact that the production line      around 2030 when the two Anzac
                                              will soon close for new orders.                class frigates will be over 30 years old.
                                                  The 2016 Capability Plan forecast          However, they have held up remarkedly
                                              four aircraft. But an order of three           well and it is conceivable they could last
                                              would also be credible, especially if          as long as 40 years old.
                                              close inshore surveillance was cast off            Both will be going through a $500
                                              to a much cheaper option.                      million weapons and sensor upgrade
                                                  There has been discussion of               in the next five years. It seems unlikely
                                              alternative aircraft to the P8. None of        that defence planners would only want
                                              the options are in widespread service,         seven years’ use of the ships after such
                                              and they would also have much less             a substantial upgrade.
                                              capability than the P8. It would be a              The Anzac replacement may herald
Hon Dr Wayne Mapp QSO was New Zealand’s
                                              significant retrograde step for New            quite a political battle. The Capability
Minister of Defence and Minister of Science
and Innovation from 2008 to 2011. He          Zealand to step out of the P3/P8 level         Plan envisages replacing frigates
was appointed to the New Zealand Law          of capability, and it would be seen as         with frigates. Logically this would be
Commission in February 2012.                  such by our closest ally, Australia.           done in partnership with Australia

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ANZAC frigate HMNZS Te Mana and recently decommissioned fleet replenishment tanker HMNZS Endeavour. Source: NZDF.

just as it was with the Anzac ships.          In that case the frigate replacement        case, a light frigate option comes with
The Australians are likely to make            decision could be deferred to the           an acceptance that New Zealand has
their choice of the ships to replace          parliamentary term of 2020 to 2023.         opted out of the more capable anti-
their Anzac ships later this year, with           There are other options for the         submarine capability that the current
construction to begin in 2020. Delivery       frigate replacement. New Zealand may        frigates have.
will extend over a decade.                    choose to go for a light frigate. In that       For the last twenty years New
    It is conceivable that New Zealand        case, three ships could replace the         Zealand defence expenditure has
could choose to add two more ships            existing two Anzac ships. Alternatively,    been around 1 percent of GDP. The
at the end of the build programme.            there could only be two ships. In either    Capability Plan envisages the same level
                                                                                          of expenditure. Buying significantly
                                                                                          less capable platforms than what is
                                                                                          planned will inevitably reduce defence
                                                                                          expenditure below 1 percent of GDP.
                                                                                              This would be a real signal,
                                                                                          particularly to Australia, that New
                                                                                          Zealand was choosing a lower role in
                                                                                          defence and security.
                                                                                              The Australian relationship is
                                                                                          central to New Zealand, and defence is
                                                                                          a key part of it. If Australia perceives
                                                                                          that New Zealand is choosing a much
                                                                                          lower path, there are likely to be
                                                                                          consequences to the relationship that
                                                                                          extend beyond defence co-operation.
                                                                                              New Zealand decision makers will
                                                                                          need to think long and hard whether
                                                                                          perceived savings in defence are
                                                                                          worth the costs that are likely to be
                                                                                          incurred in the wider trans-Tasman
                                                                                          relationship.
An RAAF P8 Poseidon. Image courtesy Australian Department of Defence.

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The KC-390 and E2:
a fleet mix fit for New Zealand
Triple type certification for the E190-E2 sets a new international benchmark as Embraer
highlights the credentials of the E2 as a potential passenger/VIP option for the RNZAF.

Things are changing in the way tactical       quietly cruise at speeds equivalent     Standard setter: the E190-E2
and strategic operations are defined in       to modern jet airliners (M0.8) and      Embraer is the world’s leading
a military context. The ascendancy of         then land on an unprepared strip        manufacturer of commercial jets up
military-medium and military-heavy            in the islands or abroad opens up a     to 150 seats, and is proving that it has
turbofan capabilities means that there        whole new range of capabilities for     the organisational, technological and
is now convergence in how tactical and        militaries to explore.                  support base to propose and deliver
strategic operations are conducted and            When you combine these with         solutions to New Zealand for the long
resourced.                                    the unique geographical location        term. Embraer’s new E190-E2 jet is
     No longer do you need a ‘strategic       of New Zealand, and the roles           the perfect complement to the KC-
jet’ and a ‘tactical turboprop’ to cover      and capabilities that a modern air      390 should a dedicated passenger/VIP
the spectrum of operations that many          transport aircraft need to perform,     aircraft continue to be required by the
Air Forces are called upon to do. The         the KC-390 provides a winning           NZDF.
Embraer KC-390 is providing this              combination of strategic and tactical       Notwithstanding the KC-390´s
bridge in capability for the ‘medium’         capabilities, future-proofed with       capability to be configured for
class airlifter, in much the same way as      its modern design. The aircraft         passenger and VIP operations, the
the Boeing C-17 has done in the ‘heavy’       enjoys new standards of reliability,    E190-E2 is already making a name for
class.                                        maintainability and overall support     itself. The E2 family of commercial jets
     The ability for the modern breed         compared to older aircraft design       is the second generation of the E-Jets,
of fixed-wing transport aircraft to           types nearing retirement.               which have logged more than 1,800

 Embraer E190-E2 takes off. Image supplied.

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orders and 1,400 deliveries to some 70
airlines in 50 countries.
    In February 2018, the E190-E2
received type certificates from three
certification authorities: ANAC
(Brazil), FAA (USA) and EASA
(European Union). It is the first time
that an aircraft programme with
the level of complexity of the E2
has received a type certificate from
three major worldwide certification
authorities simultaneously. This sets a
new standard in the aerospace industry.
    Following type certification, the
first E190-E2 was delivered to launch
operator Widerøe (Norway) in April         exclusive powerplant, and Honeywell         warehouses, 9 owned service centres,
this year in a 114-seat in single-class    Primus Epic 2 was selected as the           71 authorised service centres and 110
configuration.                             avionics package. Similar to the KC-        field support representatives – all
    When it comes to reliability,          390, the E2 features a closed loop fly-     of which are coordinated to ensure
Embraer targets a 99 percent dispatch      by-wire control, which reduces weight,      aircraft are kept serviceable wherever
reliability after 12 months, and 99.5      increases fuel efficiency, enhances         you are in the world.
percent after four years. Embraer          control and increases safety by full            Embraer has merged its support
targets 16-24 percent lower fuel burn      envelope protection in all flight phases.   network from Commercial, Executive
and 15-25 percent lower maintenance                                                    and Defence and Security business units
cost per seat when compared to the         Superior service and support                under a single entity such that it has
original E-Jet. Range extension has also   As is often the case when introducing       been able to pool the vast expertise of
been achieved to 2,850nm with full         new aircraft to the commercial or           2,500 professionals in to a coordinated
passenger load and reserves.               military market, questions are asked        services and support entity.
    So, what is new in the E2? Its wing    about the maintenance services and              This, combined with customer
has been redesigned and it introduces      support that will be there to ensure        satisfaction surveys of Commercial (83
new pylons, landing gear, horizontal       aircraft serviceability and availability.   percent), Defence (85 percent) and voted
stabilisers, cabin, cabin air system,          Embraer has learned a lot over the      1st for Executive Aviation by AIN and
air cycle machine, bleed air system,       years from supporting some 5,600            Pro Pilot, Embraer’s reputation for
and a new fly-by-wire system. In the       aircraft from 1,700 customers in over       exemplary support is unrivalled.
E190-E2, of the 16 percent better          100 countries. It is this expertise             There is now the realisation that
fuel burn, 11 percent comes from the       that has contributed to Embraer’s           E190-E2 certification and the imminent
geared turbofan, 3.5 percent from the      ability to reduce aircraft downtime,        certification and delivery of the KC-390
improved aerodynamics of the new           lower operating costs and improve           to the Brazilian Air Force strengthens
high aspect ratio wing and 1.5 percent     operational efficiency.                     the position of Embraer as one of the
from the fly-by-wire.                          Embraer has a dedicated team of         top aerospace companies in the world.
    In January 2013, Embraer selected      professionals at their TechCare Centre      These are real milestones that will
the Pratt & Whitney PW1000G Geared         providing help 24/7/365 days a year. As     benefit operators the world over as these
Turbo Fan (GTF) engine as the              a global company, Embraer boasts 24         aircraft replace older fleets and models.

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Defence Minister:
Big decisions not taken lightly
Defence Minister Hon Ron Mark suggests that time taken scrutinising P3 replacement
options has been time well spent, and that we can expect similar rigour in relation to
procurement proposals to Cabinet going forward.

For many years I sat on the Foreign       options and asked some hard questions       in the last few years, to Defence’s
Affairs and Trade Select Committee.       of the team at the Ministry of Defence.     procurement processes are robust.
Each year, post Budget, the Minister          This is a purchase the NZDF would       They have overhauled their practices
would arrive, and we would get to         have to live with for at least the next     and now have a well-resourced team
question them for an hour.                30 years, so I want to make sure that if    who can be considered an exemplar for
    It was my chance to test them on      we decide to press ahead, it is what we     the public sector.
how well they knew the portfolio and      need.                                           What this means for me is that
to ask hard questions on decisions            It’s also been important to me          when I take a proposal to Cabinet,
made in the Budget.                       to ensure we have the right strategic       which recommends the purchase of
    This year the shoe was on the other   policy and procurement processes in         a major capability, I can assure them
foot. It was I fronting the committee     place before making these important         we have a robust plan to deliver the
and being grilled on my plans for the     decisions.                                  project, on time, to specifications,
Defence Force and where the future of         This is why two of the first pieces     within budget and that the equipment
the NZDF may lie.                         of work I kicked off as Minister were       we have purchased will be right for the
    The Committee members presented       reviewing our strategic Defence policy      job.
some excellent lines of questioning and   settings, and a comprehensive review of         But, we need to keep driving
it was a robust session. One of their     the Defence procurement process. The        continuous improvement to the system.
questions was around the potential        latter was particularly important given     We owe that to taxpayers of New
purchase of the P8 Poseidon as a          the first paper I was required to take      Zealand. In reaching his conclusions,
replacement for the P3K Orion.            to Cabinet was to solve a $148m cost        Sir Brian Roche notes that the changes
    Many of you will know, from my        overrun in the ANZAC Frigate Systems        are still relatively new, and strong
time in opposition, I’ve been a strong    Upgrade project.                            ongoing leadership is required to
critic of Defence capability purchases.       The review of our strategic policy      embed and sustain the changes.
I felt we could have done better on       settings has gone well, and at the              Indeed, it is important to note that
a number of occasions, and so it will     time of writing, New Zealand’s new          no project has gone from concept
come as no surprise I’ve been running     Strategic Defence Policy Statement is       to delivery under the new system.
the rule over the P3 replacement          signed off by Cabinet and about to go       Therefore, we will be keeping a
                                          to the printer. The Statement not only      close eye on defence procurement
                                          provides updated policy direction for       performance to ensure that high
                                          Defence, fit for the turbulent times        standards are met and maintained.
                                          we live in, it aligns Defence with              These two pieces of work will help
                                          the values and direction of the new         inform our review of the Defence
                                          Government.                                 Capability Plan which is due to be
                                              The team who have been involved         completed by the end of the year.
                                          in the work have done a great job.              That said we will need to make a
                                          Once it’s released we will load an          decision on the P3 replacement well
                                          electronic copy on the Ministry of          before then, and we continue to work
                                          Defence Website. I encourage you all        on that.
                                          to read it.                                     But with our new strategy in
                                              The independent Procurement             place, and the review of the Defence
                                          Policies and Practices Review, led by Sir   procurement process complete, I
                                          Brian Roche, has also been completed        know that I can stand behind any
Hon Ron Mark, Minister of Defence         and it has found the changes made,          recommendation I take to Cabinet.

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Into the Blue – an Interview with
Air Vice-Marshal Tony Davies,
Chief of Air Force
Dr Peter Greener, Senior Fellow at the Centre for Strategic Studies (VUW), asks Chief of Air
Force AVM Tony Davies about the most important challenges facing the RNZAF.

PG: You recently issued an updated             PG: Having the right platforms and the         We began last year with inviting
Mission Statement for the Royal New            right people is central to the RNZAF       Year 12 and 13 students to our
Zealand Air Force. Can you say what            being able to fulfil its mission. There    first four-day programme held at
this is and why it has changed?                is a growing need for intelligence         Whenuapai. This year we decided to
                                               analysts to make sense of the enormous     invite 48 Year 13 students from all
TD: The new Mission Statement is “The          amount of data that airborne systems       over New Zealand to Ohakea. I’m
RNZAF will provide New Zealand with            can gather. How challenging is it to       delighted with the response we’ve
relevant, responsive and effective Air         recruit and retain the right balance of    had and with the high percentage
Power to meet its security interests.”         personnel?                                 who are following-through with our
The new statement focusses clearly                                                        recruitment team.
on the value our operations deliver to         TD: Yes, your observation about the            With regards to overall recruitment,
NZ. There is a lot more to conducting          importance of analysts is correct, but     I’m pleased to say that currently 18.7
military air operations and delivering         there are challenges. The Air Force is     percent of our force are women and last
Air Power effects than simply the visible      about much more than just aircraft.        year some of our intakes were around
element of aircraft flying.                        We need to ensure that our people      35 percent women. Retention is the
    The future depends on our                  know where they fit in the overall         challenge, and that requires a complete
people, on a joint focus, and a broader        matrix; as people come through the         look at our policies, ensuring we look
sense of air operations including the          gate each day they need to be clear        after families and facilitate a supportive
use of space and remotely piloted              about the value that they add. So          after-childbirth return to work.
systems. While military air operations         many of our trades and branches are            Women in senior positions are also
remain our core task, the attitude             STEM-related, that is, they require        important as role models. As you are
and behaviours that get us there               qualifications in science, technology,     aware the current Warrant Officer of
are embodied in our values and air             engineering or mathematics.                the Air Force is Warrant Officer Toni
warfighting ethos.                                 We need to attract highly competent    Tate and we have an increasing number
                                               people and we’re competing with the        of women as base, squadron, and
                                               other Services; with the Police; with      mission commanders - all of whom,
                                               other high tech companies like Rocket      like everyone else in the organisation,
                                               Lab. Nevertheless our recruitment          have got there on merit.
                                               intakes are good.                              There are also a number of
                                                                                          initiatives underway supporting
                                               PG: Women currently make up about          purposeful recruitment and retention
                                               17 percent of the workforce, yet the aim   across the diversity spectrum.
                                               is for that to be 25 percent by 2025.          Everyone is free to be their
                                               What initiatives are underway to help      authentic selves with support readily
                                               this happen?                               available if needed. This creates an
                                                                                          environment where being outside the
                                               TD: Perhaps one of our most                mainstream is a non-issue as much as is
                                               successful initiatives is the “School      possible and people can focus on their
                                               to Skies” programme which began in         performance and their jobs.
                                               2017. This programme aims to attract
                                               those young women who are STEM-            PG: As the New Zealand population
                                               focussed and in their final year at        and the potential pool of candidates
AVM Tony Davies MNZM. All images courtesy of   school, to consider a career in the Air    diversify, what further opportunities do
the RNZAF.                                     Force.                                     you see for recruitment?

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TD: Diversity is celebrated and its
strength is fully recognised throughout
the NZDF. We also know the value
and the importance of representing the
changing face of New Zealand. This
means ensuring that we have a diversity
programme that is equitable and
where gender, ethnicity, sexuality and
religious beliefs pose no barriers for a
career in our organisation.
    For example, at this year’s
Pride Parade we had senior officer
representation and we provided a very
visible Hercules fly-past to support
those marching. Our attention is on
ensuring we increase the number of
women in the Air Force, as well as
other diverse groups.

PG: How important is it for Air Force
to now have a permanent Marae?                This year School to Skies will see 48 Year 13 young women visit Air Force Base Ohakea

TD: We refer to it as the RNZAF               of 90 percent - a very high rate. We are         stretch from Antarctica to the Pacific
Turangawaewae or ‘standing place’             seeing excellent results. We are also in         Islands. The P-3K2 Orion is our first
rather than a Marae, and this is out of       the process of taking delivery of our            responder following a cyclone, tsunami
respect for other local historical Marae.     new King Air KA350s, a King Air                  or earthquake.
This project has been a huge success,         that will allow us to undertake a wider              From SAR to fisheries protection
and over 2,300 people have been               range of roles.                                  to high-end Intelligence, Surveillance,
received by the Turangawaewae so far              This aircraft will allow us not only         and Reconnaissance (ISR) operations,
this year.                                    to undertake the customary multi-                we really need to better tell the story
    Army and Navy support was there           engine conversion training, but it also          of how important the maritime patrol
from the start and Army Engineers             means we can conduct our own Air                 capability is to New Zealand. The P-3
played a significant role in construction.    Warfare Officer training, which was              is a tremendous platform, but ours are
Through a series of open forums across        previously provided in Australia. Two            over 52 years old and they don’t make
the Bases our people decided the kawa         of the aircraft are also being fitted with       them anymore.
or protocols which are very traditional.      sensors and systems to conduct basic                 Whatever replaces the Orions will
The Tūrangawaewae truly reflects who          surveillance missions.                           likely have to last another 50 years. In
we are as New Zealanders.                                                                      that regard the Boeing P-8 Poseidon is
                                              PG: The Briefing for the Incoming                being viewed as a viable contemporary
PG: When it comes to platforms,               Minister indicated that Cabinet                  replacement capability. All the work
the RNZAF’s helicopter fleets have            would need to consider the maritime              on its development and refinement
been renewed and the first T-6 Texan          patrol component of the Future Air               has already been done by others
trainers are fully operational. Can you       Surveillance Capability during 2018.             and importantly, given our focus on
say how this already impacts on air           How important is it for New Zealand to           working as part of a wider coalition
power capability?                             maintain such a capability?                      environment, we will be operating
                                                                                               within a large P-8 user community.
TD: The NH90 provides an amazing              TD: It is of crucial importance given                There is no doubt in my mind
range of capabilities. Whilst it had          the nature and range of activities that          that FASC is the most important
initial challenges, our people have           require response from the NZDF. Our              security related decision the current
developed a number of ways to                 exclusive economic zone is the 4th               Government is likely to have to make.
enhance the aircraft in operations and        largest in the world, 15 times the size of       PG: With a renewed focus on
maintenance. Our helicopter squadron          mainland New Zealand and our search              operations in the Pacific and
operates across a greater number of           and rescue (SAR) region covers about             Antarctica, how important is the
roles and tasks than many others, from        30 million square kilometres of ocean            Future Air Mobility project?
battlefield support to counter-terrorism      around New Zealand, stretching from
to search and rescue. Of the fourteen         the South Pole to the Equator.                   TD: While the P-3 is feeding back
operators globally, New Zealand has               Maritime Patrol missions, whether            information about a disaster area, the
the highest rates of aircraft availability.   they are immediate searches to save              Hercules are being loaded up with
     The T-6 has just recently produced       lives or resource protection tasks               relief supplies. New Zealanders have an
its first Wings Course with a pass rate       in support of partner agencies, can              expectation that we will respond with

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airlift to a range of situations, and are
always ready to be on our way. Our Air
Mobility fleet must be a “Jack or Jill of
all trades”.
     The decision on replacing the
Hercules will need to be taken in
conjunction with replacing the
Boeing 757s, which provide us with
a faster, longer range capability, be it
for transporting personnel to distant
deployments, supplies to Antarctica or
taking Government delegations and
trade missions overseas.
     Whether NZ goes for the tried and
true, or for something faster and more
modern, the decision will be a well-
considered one.

PG: The Briefing for the Incoming
Minister also noted the work underway
on the Singapore proposal to base
F-15 fighter jets at Ohakea. What
opportunities might this provide not        Ex Southern Katipo 2017
just for the RNZAF, but for the NZDF
as a whole?                                 could make a real difference here in       We offer Rocket Lab access to
                                            the future. It will be considered in       our facilities and I see some really
TD: New Zealand has a long history          conjunction with FASC.                     exciting possibilities here.
of working alongside the Singapore              I look forward to our Defence              Southern locations in New Zealand
Armed Forces, and exploring the             Industry colleagues helping provide        also present significant opportunities
Singapore-Ohakea F15 proposal is an         solutions to the problem once it is        for the ground segment of space
extension of that relationship.             more clearly identified. Perhaps there’s   systems including Space Situational
    The proposal is still under             a place to focus on long-range high        Awareness. In summary, the New
consideration, but opportunities we         altitude RPAS for the wider NZ region?     Zealand government has a highly
would want to explore with Singapore                                                   integrated approach to managing the
include the chance for F-15s to             PG: Looking out further, and noting        benefits and risks of space and the
facilitate JTAC ( Joint Terminal Attack     that the Royal Air Force has just taken    NZDF is playing a forward leaning role
Controller) training with the New           over responsibility for UK military        in those developments.
Zealand Army, and possibly maritime         space operations, what opportunities
strike training with the Royal New          might there be for the future uses and     PG: What do you see as the major
Zealand Navy. Although we currently         benefits of New Zealand space power?       challenges for the RNZAF out to 2035?
carry out this training with other
partners, there could be an opportunity     TD: New Zealand is a member of the         TD: We are challenged by some of
for this to be more accessible if the       Five Eyes Combined Space Operations        our 1930/40s infrastructure, which
Singaporean jets were based here.           and as such has gained valuable insights   is being addressed. Enhancing our
    All of these issues are yet to be       into the challenges of military space      diversity and inclusivity, which is
discussed with Singapore and would          operations. We also recognise how          progressing but not fast enough.
be part of the discussion if it were to     highly integrated and co-dependent         School to Skies Programme is a start
go ahead. Government is yet to make a       military and civil/commercial space        that we must build on. We need to be
decision on the proposal.                   operations are in terms of developing      better at interacting with the public
PG: In looking to the future, what          resilient and responsive space             and telling the story about what we
contribution might remotely piloted         capabilities.                              do for New Zealand’s security and
aircraft be able to make?                       Hence, in the last three years New     wellbeing.
                                            Zealand has put in place legislation           However, the future also looks
TD: Remotely Piloted Aircraft Systems       to enable a responsive space launch        very bright. Our capabilities are
(RPAS) are a part of the future,            industry with Rocket Lab from the          being renewed one-by-one and our
particularly as ISR platforms, be they      Mahia Peninsula. The RNZAF has             people are technologically skilled and
battlefield or long-range, high altitude    a close working relationship with          orientated. The overall attrition rate
or long endurance platforms. Satellite      Rocket Lab and we have a few staff         is the lowest it’s been in a very long
coverage over our area of responsibility    revolving through their projects,          time and morale is good. This is a very
is currently challenging and RPAS           particularly in the avionics area.         exciting time for the Air Force.

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Big year for GA-ASI Remotely
Piloted Aircraft
At the half-way mark of 2018, it’s already shaping up to be a banner year for General Atomics
Aeronautical Systems (GA-ASI).

In April, the Predator family of
aircraft, which includes the Reaper,
Gray Eagle, and new MQ-9B
SkyGuardian, surpassed five million
flight hours, the majority of which
have occurred in combat.
    In May, GA-ASI undertook
the first large-scale commercial
demonstration of a Remotely Piloted
Aircraft (RPA) over a period of three
weeks on Iki Island, Japan. The
Guardian (a modified MQ-9) collected
data for scientific research that will
be shared across multiple government
agencies, and flight data will be given
to airspace management organisations
to help establish procedures for
using RPA systems in national and
international civil airspace.             MQ-9 Guardian conducting demonstration flights in Japan in May 2018. Image supplied.
    The aircraft’s sensors included a
long-range maritime surface-search        airspace users. The DAA’s subsystems          the first unmanned system to achieve
radar, stabilised optical and infrared    include a GA-ASI-developed airborne           airworthiness approval to fly in
video cameras, and a Detect and           radar, a TCAS II and DAA tracking             civilian airspace. The UK will lead the
Avoid (DAA) System, which included        capability from Honeywell, ADS-B In           way, followed by other military and
a short-range air-to-air radar. This      and Conflict Prediction and Display           civil aviation authorities around the
configuration is similar to that          System.                                       world.
operated by the US Department of              In July, GA-ASI undertook the                 A maritime variant of the MQ-
Homeland Security over the maritime       first trans-Atlantic flight of a Medium       9B SkyGuardian, known as the
approaches to the US.                     Altitude Long Endurance (MALE)                SeaGuardian, can host a variety of
    The Guardian flights consisted        Remotely Piloted Aircraft. The flight         maritime radars to provide long-range
of approximately 10 five-hour sorties     originated at GA-ASI’s Flight Test            surveillance, small target detection
over a three-week period; however,        and Training Center in Grand Forks,           and radar imaging. In addition, the
this aircraft configuration is capable    North Dakota and landed at RAF                SeaGuardian can be fitted with an
of more than 20-hours’ endurance in a     Fairford in Gloucestershire, United           Automatic Identification System (AIS)
single sortie.                            Kingdom.                                      to provide positive identification of
    In June, NASA successfully                SkyGuardian was first conceived           seagoing vessels. This aircraft has an
demonstrated GA-ASI’s Detect              as a development program by GA-               endurance of over 40 hours.
and Avoid System on their Ikhana          ASI using Internal Research and                   GA-ASI has offered the
MQ-9. The DAA system combines             Development (IRAD) funding.                   SeaGuardian to the New Zealand
automatic collision avoidance with the    One of the driving principles was             Defence Force for the Future Air
ability to remain ‘well-clear’ of other   to deliver a RPA that would become            Surveillance Capability.

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At the launching of the 2018 Poppy Appeal in April,            in delivering on the New Zealand National Security
Willie Apiata said: “… so that our beautiful people can live   System. Sessions being considered include workshops,
in security at home and can have freedom of speech and         presentations, a cross government and industry
live a life that we want them to live, instead of the ones     discussion on defining the role of industry in the
that we experience when we are abroad helping those            system and industry’s role in supporting Government in
that cannot live that life”.                                   managing risk across the national security risk horizon.

Across the New Zealand Government, defence                     Exhibitors and sponsors from previous NZDIA forums
discussions are more frequently occurring in the               should attend to continue past discussions with
context of defence as a component part of a national           MOD and NZDF. Organisations, with an interest in
security outcome. Within industry, engagement and              developing closer understanding and relationships with
delivery is increasingly focussed on relationship,             NZ Government National Security agencies, should not
partnership and alliance. The New Zealand Defence              miss the opportunity to meet and discuss their current
Force is further accelerating its strategy to make a truly     or possible role, in supporting the NZ Government in
integrated Defence Force, a reality by 2025. All these         upholding the New Zealand way of life.
conversations and initiatives point increasingly to a
                                                               With a change of city to return to the original home
focus of the enterprise of National Security that
                                                               of the NZDIA Forum and also New Zealand’s greatest
is inclusive of Defence, other Government agencies
                                                               concentration of defence personnel, we are excited to
and industry.
                                                               introduce even greater numbers of defence and other
The NZDIA Board is delighted that the 21st NZDIA               agency personnel to the technology, innovation and
Forum will be held on 30, 31 October and 01                    ideas of industry from across the world.
November 2018 at the Central Energy Trust Arena,
Palmerston North and that the theme is: “Exploring
the role of industry in national and regional security.”         We look forward to
The New Zealand Government describes national
                                                               welcoming delegates, sponsors
security as “...the condition which permits the citizens       and exhibitors to join a critical
of a state to go about their daily business confidently free
                                                               conversation about national
from fear and able to make the most of opportunities
to advance their way of life. It encompasses the               security and how we ensure
preparedness, protection and preservation of people, and       the preservation of the many
of property and information, both tangible and intangible.”
                                                               ways of life valued by New
This year the Forum, in addition to a strong presence
from MOD and NZDF, will see representation from
                                                               Zealanders.
other NZ Government agencies which play a part                 - Palmerston North Mayor Grant Smith

   CONTACTS

Sponsorship and Exhibitor Opportunties:                        NZDIA New Membership:
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Tuesday 30 October – Thursday 1 November 2018
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Defence short-changed
as decisions delayed
Hon Mark Mitchell, National Party Spokesperson for Defence, writes that the recent Budget
indicates major defence procurements, such as the P8 Poseidon programme, are facing an
uncertain and slow-motion future.
When I came into Opposition I made                This included provisions for new              Yes it’s a big investment and came
it very clear to the Minister of Defence      initiatives including advancing a cyber       a bit earlier than expected, however I
Ron Mark, that I would support                security support capability, the Littoral     was fully committed and confident we
him in making sure he advanced the            Operations and Frigate Systems                would procure the P8s.
critical investment that the Defence          Upgrades, and wider investment into               I want to acknowledge the support
Force needs around capability and             modernised and more efficient systems.        from our partners, including US
infrastructure requirements.                      In contrast, this year’s Budget           Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, who
    We are in an increasingly complex         delivered little for Defence. Yes, there      ensured the working relationship
and challenging global environment that       have been increases in operational            between our respective Ministry’s was
places greater demands on our Defence         funding for Defence, however much             strong and gave both teams the space
Force, and we owe it to them to ensure        of this is routine and in line with           to develop a very good plan together.
they have the right equipment to do their     forecasts, based on the expectations              Unfortunately, the recent Budget
job - whether that’s close to home here in    we have for Defence, and annual               indicated this process had stalled.
New Zealand and the Asia Pacific region,      changes in personnel. However, what           We’re now nine months into the new
or further abroad as we work with our         was noticeably absent in this year’s          Government. This was a priority
partners towards stability in places like     Budget was any provision for the              decision and should have been through
the Middle East and Africa.                   much needed replacement of the P3             the Cabinet process by March of this
    The key to ensuring Defence is able       Orion.                                        year, but was nowhere to be seen in the
to deliver on the operations they are             The P3 Orion has been an                  Budget.
tasked with, is to continually invest in      outstanding and reliable workhorse                The absence was likely a huge blow
personnel, property, and equipment.           for our Royal New Zealand Air Force           for those in our Defence Force, who were
The Budget should reflect this.               and our nation for over half a century.       no doubt anticipating seeing provision
National’s time in Government saw the         However, they are quickly reaching the        in the Budget for the procurement of
development of a $20 billion Defence          end of their service life and all available   the P8s. The personnel in our Defence
Capability Plan, which was supported          upgrades have been exhausted. It’s time       Forces rightfully have the expectation
by an almost billion dollar funding           to give them an honourable and much           that they will be supported by the
boost in Budget 2017/18.                      deserved retirement.                          Government and that they will be given
                                                  The American Congress wrote last          the best possible equipment.
                                              year saying it was last orders for the            It’s disappointing, but there may
                                              P8 Poseidon under the military sales          be some light at the end of the tunnel.
                                              programme. The P8 Poseidon would              Mr Mark indicated at the Foreign
                                              be an outstanding replacement for             Affairs and Defence Committee
                                              the P3, as it would both increase our         Estimates Hearing in June that he was
                                              own capability and close the capability       now preparing Cabinet papers, and we
                                              gap with our partners, in addition to         should have an answer by July.
                                              providing the interoperability that we            When pressed on his level of
                                              need when deploying and working with          confidence in being able to deliver a
                                              our partners overseas.                        result, his repeated response was to
                                                  As the former Minister of                 ‘buckle up our seatbelts, put the phone
                                              Defence, I had a comprehensive                on flight mode, and fasten the tray tables.’
                                              work programme underway with the              This seemed more appropriate from an
                                              objective of obtaining support within         Air New Zealand flight attendant rather
                                              Cabinet to purchase four P8s. This had        than the Minister of Defence.
Hon Mark Mitchell is the Opposition           included formal meetings and briefings            It does raise the question that if Mr
Spokesperson for Defence, and Deputy          with the Prime Minister, Finance              Mark is delivering the inflight safety
Chairperson of the Foreign Affairs, Defence   Minister, and Treasury officials to           brief, who’s flying the plane?
and Trade Select Committee. He is the         formulate a plan on how to book the               We should know the answer to that
former NZ Minister of Defence.                cost; work was well underway.                 by July.

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Defence Strategic Policy
Statement released
The just-released Defence Strategic Policy Statement, writes editor Nicholas Dynon, is a
stark rendering of the strategic environment, a front-footed articulation of where New
Zealand stands, and a manifesto for strong investment in Defence.

With the Defence Strategic Policy                                                       existing arrangements within these
Statement, the coalition Government                                                     societies,” it continues, “threaten to
has delivered a frank and fearless                                                      reduce the willingness of open liberal
assessment of New Zealand’s strategic                                                   states to champion the rules-based
environment few would have expected.                                                    order.”
    Although sharing aspects in                                                             Most importantly – and really the
common with the 2016 Defence                                                            keystone of the document – is that in
White Paper, the Statement paints                                                       raising concerns about the values of
an altogether darker strategic                                                          others, it articulates exactly where New
outlook. Reflecting two years of                                                        Zealand stands.
tumultuous change in the international                                                      Of the Statement’s 28 mentions of
environment, its message is clear: the                                                  ‘values’, 23 relate to New Zealand’s
world is changing in perilous ways                                                      values. It is, as its authors claim,
that are at odds with New Zealand’s                                                     an attempt to align New Zealand’s
interests.                                                                              strategic policy with its values.
    It will certainly have come as                                                          This isn’t just fluff. It has real
something of a surprise to those who’ve                                                 implications.
grown accustomed to Wellington’s                                                            Together, the stark strategic picture
‘careful not to offend’ stance in relation                                              described by the Statement and its
to China’s growing influence and                                                        alignment of strategic priorities with
assertiveness.                               significantly, at the Statement’s heart    New Zealand values, serve to justify
    While much of the media and              is a concern with countries’ domestic      the case for investment in Defence
punditry around the Statement – both         values – values that ultimately drive      capability at levels of at least those
here and abroad – will focus on its          their international behaviour.             prescribed by the 2016 Defence
stinging rebuke of China and Russia,             “Both domestically and as a basis      Capability Plan.
it ultimately identifies that the single     for international engagement, China            In terms of capability, it means
greatest threat to New Zealand is            holds views on human rights and            maintaining “highly sophisticated
posed not by any one country but             freedom of information that stand in       capabilities that deliver for New
rather by the accelerating erosion of the    contrast to those that prevail in New      Zealand, and that are valued by and
international rules-based order.             Zealand,” states the DSPS. “ Russia,       interoperable with those key partners
    This is an important distinction. As     Iran and Saudi Arabia, advocate “values    that share our values and interests.”
a trade-dependent and small country,         and views not aligned to those of the          It also means dealing with the
the international rules-based order          traditional leaders of the international   disruptors, such as foreign cyber-
is crucial to New Zealand. The UN            rules-based order.”                        based information operations and
system gives small and large countries           In terms of values, neither are        political influence activities, that may
alike an equal seat at the international     New Zealand’s traditional friends          threaten New Zealand’s open society
governance table, while international        and partners spared by the Statement.      and democratic processes from the
laws and agreements allow New                Recent political trends in United States   inside.
Zealanders to do business with               and Europe are reflective, it says, of a       A clear rebuke of recent
certainty.                                   trend of “liberal democracies sliding      accusations of New Zealand as the
    Most obviously, Chinese military-        into illiberalism, some democracies        ‘soft underbelly’ of the ‘five eyes’
led territorial expansionism in the          incorporating authoritarian elements as    alliance, it is perhaps also a strong
South China Sea and its failure              they centralise power in executives…”      indication – and not before time –
to recognise Court of Arbitration                “Challenges to open societies          that criticisms of New Zealand not
rulings are noted, as is Russia’s cyber-     and Western liberalism, driven by          ‘pulling its weight’ might become a
enabled information operations. But          increasing disillusionment with            thing of the past.

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Chief Joint Defence Services
Charlie Lott: Engagement,
innovation and ‘failing forward’
In this exclusive interview, CJDS Charlie Lott updates editor Nicholas Dynon on progress
made since the launch last year of the NZDF Framework for External & Industry Engagement
and what we can expect over the coming 12 months.

LoD: The NZDF Framework for                     to anyone involved in procurement               I have seen a shift in the focus
External & Industry Engagement was              what we wanted to achieve by taking         and outputs of our DCS team from
released the better part of a year ago,         the bold step of ‘partnering for greater    the transactional space or drafting
representing a big step forward for             effect’. We wanted to ensure that staff     and managing contracts to managing
Defence. To what extent have staff              got the message that it’s okay to engage,   internal and external relationships and
been able to integrate the philosophies         and the framework provided the means        asking ‘why not’ instead of the previous
of the framework into their roles?              by which they could do it.                  ‘why?’.
                                                    We also launched it at an NZDIA             DCS members have become a lot
CL: When we released the Framework              monthly members meeting so that             more strategic in their outlook – and
we followed up with a soft launch               everyone got the same message that we       that’s all credit to them. They’ve
around camps and bases and explained            were serious about this new paradigm        actually seen what we’re trying to do
                                                and that it’s okay for Defence and          through the Framework, and have
                                                industry to engage in free and frank        enthusiastically adopted it.
                                                discussions.
                                                    I think our staff got what we were      LoD: Since you took on the role of
                                                wanting to do, and for the most part        CJDS, how much of a culture shift
                                                have enthusiastically adopted the           have you seen in the NZDF in terms of
                                                philosophy of engaging as partners          industry and commercial savviness?
                                                rather than as adversaries.
                                                    This is evidenced by the growing        CL: It was always there Nick, but
                                                number of NZDF staff attending              it was latent. People were afraid to
                                                NZDIA monthly meetings, the Annual          engage because they didn’t understand
                                                Forum, the Defence Engineering,             how far they could go, when to pull
                                                Science and Technology Conference;          back for ethical or probity reasons,
                                                and a significant number of staff           and what the left and right of arcs
                                                now visit our suppliers on a routine        were. In other words, our team didn’t
                                                basis to get to know them, what their       understand that their choices in the
                                                capabilities are and the like.              engagement space weren’t so much a
                                                    I think it is also evidenced by our     difference between right and wrong
                                                people talking about ‘value’ rather than    but rather between right and more
                                                ‘cost’ in everyday conversations about      right. The Framework gives them that
                                                engagement, which is a fundamental          sort of guidance.
BRIG (Retd) Charles Lott MNZM is NZDF           shift in the way that Defence has               What I’ve seen is people ringing
Chief Joint Defence Services. In his 34-year    traditionally engaged with our              Deb Howarth our Director, Defence
logistics career in the New Zealand Army        suppliers.                                  Industry Engagement, and actually
he saw operational service with the NZ              Most importantly, it is evidenced       asking how to engage.
Contingent MFO Sinai, as Liaison Officer        by a fundamentally good change
for the UN Operations in Somalia, and as a      in what our Defence Commercial              LoD: Looking back over your time
Logistics Operations Senior Staff Officer. He   Services (DCS) folk are thinking about      so far in the role , what are you most
was made a Member of the New Zealand            procurement and engagement.                 proud of?
Order of Merit in 2001.

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