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                                                                   6 ·   From The Law Society                                         Update
                                                                                                                              22 · Crisis? What Crisis? Time
                                                                   7 ·   New Zealand Law Society                                   for structural reform
                                                                                                                                   in the construction
                                                                 10 ·    Letter To The Editor                                      industry ▹ BY JOHN WALTON
                                                                                                                              25 · Storm in a cereal bowl:
                                                                         People                                                    Australasian Conference
                                                                 10 · On the move                                                  Association Ltd v A Little Bit
                                                                 14 · Te Reo admission                                             of Britain Ltd [2018] NZHC
                                                                      ceremony a wonderful                                         2501 ▹ BY KATE DUCKWORTH
                                                                      celebration ▹ BY GEOFF ADLAM                            27 · Cross leases and Re
                                                                 15 · Suzanne Innes-Kent, Judges’                                  McKay ▹ BY THOMAS GIBBONS
                                                     68
                                                     59               Clerk, Employment Court,
                                                                      Auckland ▹ BY ANGHARAD O'FLYNN                                  Alternative Dispute
                                                                 17 · The Innovators: Anton                                           Resolution
                                                                      Smith, CEO Consensus New                                29 · Consensus building, Part 3 - The
                                                                      Zealand ▹ BY ANDREW KING                                     CBA participants ▹ BY PAUL SILLS
                                                                 18 · Adine Wilson ▹ BY CRAIG STEPHEN                         31 · Intellectual Property
                                                                 20 · New Tumuaki aim to be                                        and Alternative Dispute
                                                                      effective advocate for all Māori                             Resolution ▹ BY MARK KELLY
                                                                      lawyers ▹ BY CRAIG STEPHEN
                                                                                                                                      Practising Well
                                                                                                                              34 · Talking about mental
                                                                                                                                   health ▹ BY GAYNOR PARKIN
                                                                                                                                      AND DR ALLANAH CASEY

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        Creating A Just Culture                                     59 · Embracing the                                 77 · Legal aid: the problems
38 · How is the Gender Equality                                          unknown and the                                    and issues
     Charter working out for legal                                       unexpected ▹ BY GABRIELLE
     workplaces? ▹ BY NICK BUTCHER                                          O'BRIEN                                           Legal Information
42 · Update                                                                                                            79 · Pleadings Without Tears – A
                                                                            Future Of Law                                   Guide to Legal Drafting Under
45 ·    Lawyers Complaints                                          63 · Developments                                       the Civil Procedure Rules ▹
        Service                                                                                                               REVIEWED BY GARRY WILLIAMS
                                                                            The Justice System
        Tikanga And Ture                                            66 · Of Chief Justices           ▹ BY GEOFF               Classifieds
52 · Te Hunga Roia Kura Reo                                                 ADLAM                                      81 · Will notices
     2018 ▹ BY ALANA THOMAS                                         69 · Conference will celebrate                     82 · Legal Jobs
                                                                         Dame Sian’s achievements                      84 · NZLS CLE Ltd CPD Calendar
        Practice
54 · Legal Salary Survey 2018 results                                       Access To Justice                                 Lifestyle
     released ▹ BY GEOFF ADLAM                                      70 · McKenzie friends: there’s                     86 · A New Zealand Legal Crossword
56 · Startup marketing                                                   more of them, but                             87 · Chicago: colourful,
     techniques for lawyers – Part                                       what do they actually                              contradictory and very much
     2 ▹ BY DAMIAN FUNNELL                                               do? ▹ BY TRACEY CORMACK                            its own ▹ BY JOHN BISHOP
57 · Notaries public                                                74 · “Benchmark”
     needed outside main                                                 helps vulnerable                              90 ·   Tail end
     centres ▹ BY STEWART GERMANN                                        witnesses achieve
58 · Working smarter to                                                  justice ▹ BY LYNDA HAGEN
     reduce the cost and                                            75 · Barriers to
     burden of the discovery                                             participation ▹ BY ROBIN
     process ▹ BY ANDREW KING                                               ARTHUR

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From the Law Society
                                                                                                 iwi, and individual clients in some chal-
Talofa lava                                                                                      lenging cases. It is enormously rewarding
   Mahia i runga i te rangimarie me te                                                           to help people, and organisations navigate
ngakau mahake.                                                                                   our legal system, and be able to help with
   I am very humbled and honoured to                                                             a problem or stressful situation. In some
have been elected President of the New                                                           instances you have the opportunity to
Zealand Law Society. I will become the 31st                                                      change the course of a person’s life for
President and I am deeply mindful that I                                                         the better. There are plenty of challenges
am joining a long line of people who have                                                        in this profession, but the rewards make
taken up the wero (challenge) of leading                                                         it worth it.
the legal profession.                                                                               What are we facing as a profession? The
   Of course, I will not be taking up the                                                        May 2018 annual national survey of lawyers
role until April 2019. Kathryn Beck is                                                           found lawyers themselves think the four
President and I would like to pay tribute                                                        biggest challenges facing lawyers are:
to the fantastic job that Kathryn has done                                                       • Stress and anxiety;
and continues to do.                                                                             • Workplace health and safety;
   This year has been a challenging one for                                                      • Diversity (of all kinds) and inclusion; and
our profession. There has been an unprec-                                                        • Financial stability and profitability.
edented and justified focus on the culture                                                       We need a regulatory complaints system
in legal workplaces, the role of the Law                                                         which is fair and effective for dealing with
Society as regulator, and how to achieve                                                         issues of inappropriate and unacceptable
gender and ethnic equality of opportunity among lawyers.               behaviour. We need a suite of protective measures for lawyers
   The Law Society’s Legal Workplace Environment Survey found          who raise sensitive matters to ensure it is a safe process. We need
that 31% of women who responded had been sexually harassed             flexibility in terms of processes and outcomes. We also need good
at some time. The Law Society and the wider profession have            support for both lawyers who make complaints and lawyers who
commenced a wide range of actions and initiatives to address the       are the subject of complaints.
issues and to put lasting and effective changes in place.                 We know improving diversity in senior leadership roles will
   As Law Society President Kathryn Beck has been a tireless leader    have an impact on culture change. There has been much work
and spokesperson. As a member of the Law Society Board, I can          done in terms of women in the law. However, diversity is more
attest to the energy, commitment, and courage, which Kathryn           than gender. The Law Society can lead culture change by ‘walking
has brought to leading us on what will be a long pathway to            the talk’. This means ensuring we are doing everything we can to
securing the many changes which are needed.                            demonstrate we have cultural competence (for example, offer-
   While I am aware of the pressures attached to the role, I’d like    ing Te Reo Māori learning opportunities to all employees), and
to say why I am looking forward to becoming President in April         ensuring we have intersectional representatives on committees,
next year.                                                             panels and groups.
   Until 2012, I was one of those people who didn’t think the Law         We need to deal with all the unacceptable behaviour. The
Society was particularly relevant to me. Then I encountered an         Workplace Environment survey gave us some additional data in
issue with judicial resourcing in Gisborne and took up the role of     terms of bullying (for the six months leading up to the survey in
branch President to change the situation. Gisborne had not had a       April 2018) of ethnic minorities which is motivated by race. It also
resident judge for 15 years. I asked for support and help from the     told us that 49% of general bullying was perpetrated by women.
Law Society national office and was given it. Ultimately, it was a     We all need to take responsibility for the way we behave and be
team effort involving local lawyers, national office representatives   responsible for each other too. If every lawyer changes a little bit,
and staff. We now have two resident Judges; that brought home          the whole profession changes a lot.
the importance of our national organisation and how it can use            I look forward to working with all of you in this important and
the power of 14,000 lawyers to effect important changes in our         ultimately rewarding profession on our journey to achieving a
justice system.                                                        just culture.
   I care a lot about what happens next. As a lawyer. A woman.            He waka eke noa. We are all in this together.
A person of Pacific Island descent. And the mother of two Māori
children.                                                              Tiana Epati
   I love what I do. I have represented the Crown, organisations,      President-Elect, New Zealand Law Society

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        NEW ZEALAND LAW SOCIETY

Law Society                                                                      Opening of the
Council meets                                                                    Legal Year in London
The New Zealand Law Society’s Council held its                                   New Zealand Law Society President Kathryn Beck
six-monthly meeting in Wellington on 24 October.                                 is pictured with the President of the Law Society of
History was created with the participation of a rep-                             England and Wales, Christina Blacklaws, at the Opening
resentative from the Te Hunga Rōia Māori o Aotearoa                              of the Legal Year at Westminster Abbey in London on
– The Māori Law Society as an observer. As well as the                           1 October. The service dates back to the Middle Ages
election of Tiana Epati as President from April 2019,                            when judges prayed for guidance at the start of the legal
the Council discussed the Law Society’s culture change                           term. They used to walk two miles from Temple Bar to
work programme, diversity and inclusion in the legal                             the Abbey, but now travel by car. Along with Ms Beck
profession and the implementation of phase two of                                representing the New Zealand Law Society, over 700
the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Funding                                 people were invited to attend the service and breakfast.
of Terrorism Act 2009 by the Department of Internal
Affairs. Each of the branches, sections and other
organisations comprising the Council also reported
on current issues.

Keep Holidays Act workable in
practice, says Law Society
It is important to ensure that any recommendations
to the Government by the Holidays Act Taskforce ensures
the Act remains workable in practice, the Law Society
has said in comments on the Taskforce’s Holidays Act
2003 Review – Issues Paper.
   Noting that a wide range of businesses find compliance
with the Act difficult, the Law Society agrees that any
potential solutions need to be applicable to the full range
of current and expected future working arrangements.
As well as the range of business arrangements identified
by the Taskforce that can have difficulties with the Act,
the Law Society points to businesses which remunerate
employees with variable payments, employers who
have arranged a medley of fixed remuneration and
variable remuneration, and businesses where significant
unrostered overtime is performed.

#MeToo at International Regulators conference
Law Society acting Executive                 Mrs Ollivier says before the        New Zealand and the actions the New Zealand Law
Director Mary Ollivier was one            session she was surprised that         Society has taken. She says several of the organisations
of the moderators at a session on         there had been no discussion of        in attendance saw the New Zealand experience as a
#MeToo and the role of the legal          bullying and harassment in the         prompt for them to take proactive action and start
regulator at the International            legal profession. However, there was   investigating measures which are aimed at addressing
Conference of Legal Regulators in         much discussion during the ses-        the issues and moving towards creating a safer culture
The Hague, Netherlands, from 4 to         sion and many of the participants      in their professions.
5 October.                                expressed interest in the events in

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Independent evaluation of AVS pilot needed                                                             Retrospective effect
                                                                                                       of clause questioned
The New Zealand Law Society                  She said “the influence of tech-
supports the use of Audio Visual          nology needs to be moderated, in                             A proposed clause in a new Part 2
Services (AVS) in appropriate cases       order to preserve and protect exist-                         of Schedule 1 of the Crown Minerals
in principle, but says an independ-       ing standards of criminal justice,                           (Petroleum) Amendment Bill 2018
ent evaluation of a recent Auckland       including the rights of defendants                           creates a legal issue regarding the
pilot is needed to ensure defendant’s     and victims.”                                                application of the bill to existing
rights are not breached.                     The Law Society has reviewed                              applications.
   The Law Society’s Criminal Law         a Ministry of Justice and Police                                A Law Society submission on the
Committee has been involved               evaluation report of the Auckland                            bill says proposed clause 24 reverses
in the Auckland Custody Unit /            Custody Unit Pilot, alongside reports                        the current situation where appli-
Audio-Visual Services pilot, along        from both the Public Defence Service                         cations for petroleum exploration
with taking part in a Remote              and Duty Lawyer Service, including                           permits are determined using the
Participation Workshop.                   feedback from duty lawyers who                               provisions in force at the time the
   AVS provides the ability for           have worked under this pilot.                                application was lodged and before
a defendant to appear in court               The ministry recognises further                           any amendment.
remotely from where the person is         refinement of the Pilot is necessary                            “The key issue is that while the
being held in custody.                    before continuing it as a ‘business                          change applies prospectively, it is
   However, the Law Society says          as usual’ operation, but the Law                             retrospective in effect. Clause 24
that first appearances in court give      Society is urging caution for a                              breaches a legitimate expectation
rise to particular concerns. When a       number of reasons.                                           that existing applications for petro-
person is arrested for an offence and        “While the ACU Pilot has been                             leum permits will be determined
not released, traditionally their first   successful in assisting some                                 according to the law in force at the
appearance in court is conducted          defendants to appear remotely                                time the application was lodged,”
in person, as required under sec-         rather than being brought to the                             it says.
tion 23(3) of the New Zealand Bill        courtroom, we think there’s still a                             The Law Society recommends
of Rights Act 1990. The right to be       need for an independent evaluation                           that there is further consideration
brought before a court as soon as         before it becomes the norm. Broader                          of whether it is necessary and
possible after arrest recognises the      access to justice concerns need to be                        appropriate for clause 24 to have
constitutional separation of the          addressed. The PDS and Duty Lawyer                           retrospective effect and how this
judicial and executive branches           reports raise significant practical                          may impact on the rule of law.
of government and reaffirms the           concerns. The Duty Lawyer Service
critical role that the courts play in     report indicated that duty lawyers
ensuring the legitimacy of an arrest      found the pilot created significant
and detention.                            additional work and stress. Some
                                          have even indicated they may not
Departure is significant                  be prepared to continue doing this
“Therefore a departure from this          work if the ACU pilot becomes the
standard is significant and needs         norm. Given they’re an integral part
careful consideration before it is        of the process, their concerns need     duty lawyer to the same extent as
rolled out as a ‘business as usual’       to be heard and considered,” says       if they were appearing in person,”
model,” says Law Society Criminal         Mr Bonnar.                              Mr Bonnar says.
Law Committee convenor, Steve                The Chief District Court Judge          “Some defendants after an AVS
Bonnar QC.                                supports the Law Society’s request      appearance did not even appreciate
  In LawTalk 911, October 2017            for an independent evaluation.          that they had appeared in a public
(“Ensuring technology serves the                                                  court setting.”
interests of justice”) Chief District     Creation of                                When making a decision on
Court Judge Jan-Marie Doogue              disengagement                           whether to roll out AVS for arrest
acknowledged that technology              Other concerns in the reports           appearances, the Law Society says
could assist the courtroom but            include that AVS has created dis-       cost savings and administrative
also issued a warning “for all those      engagement by defendants.               efficiency must not override the
working in criminal justice, it is          “While some defendants preferred      need to ensure that proceedings are
important to resist any head-long         having an AVS appearance in court,      conducted fairly and that defend-
rush toward new technology simply         feedback also indicated that some       ants’ rights to a fair trial, including
on the basis that it allows us to go      defendants didn’t like the imper-       to be heard, to consult and instruct
faster and at less cost, when so          sonal nature appearing remotely         counsel, and to overall access to
much else is at stake.”                   and felt they couldn’t speak to the     justice, are protected.

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Lack of                                   Law Society rejects assertion
                                          of revenue harvesting
definition in
State Sector
                                          The New Zealand Law Society               our processes. The legislation stops
                                          issued a media statement last month       us from disclosing whether we are

Act reform
                                          stating that it totally rejects asser-    investigating a particular matter.
                                          tions reported in the media that it       However, publication orders which

options
                                          goes easy on lawyers in large law         may include the identity of a lawyer
                                          firms in order to continue collecting     can be made when the investigation
                                          revenue from practising certificates.     has been concluded.”
                                             “The Law Society regulates all           Mrs Ollivier says that for the Law
A lack of definition on problems          14,000 lawyers with a New Zealand         Society to commence an investi-
and potential solutions in a State        practising certificate without any        gation it must receive a report,
Services Commission discussion            preference. To suggest that a lawyer      a complaint or it can commence
document has made it impossible           would not be disciplined because          an own motion investigation
to comment on the necessity or            revenue may be lost from a prac-          where there is sufficient evidence
potential efficacy of most of the         tising certificate fee or continuing      available.
specific questions raised, the Law        education course is irresponsible,”         “Earlier this year we set up an
Society says.                             acting Executive Director Mary            independent regulatory working
   The document on reform of the          Ollivier says.                            group chaired by Dame Silvia
State Sector Act 1988 and directions         “All lawyers are treated in the        Cartwright to look at all the regula-
and options for change, sets out          same manner and we have a strong          tory issues around harassment and
several proposals recommending            and effective regulatory system. To       other unacceptable conduct in the
reform of the operation of the exist-     be a lawyer requires a high ethical       workplace and whether our current
ing state sector in a bid to improve      standard. There is a complaints and       legislation, systems and processes
public service outcomes.                  disciplinary process provided for in      are adequate.
   In its comments on the document,       the legislation and any lawyer who          “As we reported last week, the
the Law Society says it does not spec-    falls below that high ethical stand-      working group is now finalising its
ify whether stated reform objectives      ard or who brings the profession          report and has circulated the draft
are or have not been met in prac-         into disrepute is subject to that         for comment and feedback. It aims
tice. If so, it does not state whether    process.                                  to publicly release the final report
any past or current deficiencies in          “Our regulatory processes are          by early December.
meeting them are attributable to          committed to the rule of law and            “The Law Society is absolutely
shortcomings in the Act and how the       natural justice which means that          committed to creating safe,
proposed statutory reforms would          we must investigate matters thor-         respectful, healthy and inclusive
address any such shortcomings.            oughly and listen to all parties.         workplaces. We have set up a
   This lack of definition means the      That can take some time when a            Culture Change Taskforce which
document doesn’t identify appar-          matter is complex. Both lawyers           will be prominent in carrying out
ent deficiencies in the Act, even         and non-lawyers are involved in           this work.”
though they have been provided
in published review work. Without
the document engaging with that
material on a detailed level, it is
difficult to form any view on the
necessity or efficacy of possible
statutory reforms.
   The Law Society recommends that
before the proposed reform exercise
proceeds, it is essential for the
Commission to undertake further
work to identify whether and to
what extent present and past fail-
ures reflect statutory shortcomings.                               New client relationships at your fingertips
   “Doing so would allow the
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Five Community                                     firm lexvoco’s New                               He has experience in IT outsourcing,
Magistrates appointed                              Zealand team as Head                             including business process outsourcing,
                                                   of Legal Services, Risk                          software development and licensing, data
Terence Bourke (Auckland, who will also            & Compliance. Louise                             hosting, and data protection, privacy and
sit in Hamilton), Shaun Cole (Tauranga),           was formerly the head                            open data. Admitted in November 2010
Lucy Daniels Whineray (Auckland), Simon            of risk and compliance                           after graduating BA and LLB at Otago
Heale (Christchurch) and Sally O’Brien             (services) at BNZ, and                           University, Nick was previously a senior
(Christchurch) have been appointed as              before that the Head of                          associate at an international firm based
community magistrates. They were sworn             Legal – Retail at the same bank. She has a       in Sydney. He has also been on a number
in at ceremonies in the three centres from         strong corporate/commercial law skillset,        of client secondments in the technology,
23 to 26 October.                                  as well as a great depth of risk and com-        telecommunications, and FMCG sectors.
   Community magistrates are judicial              pliance experience.
officers who deal with a wide-ranging                                                               Lisa MacLennan joins
body of work. They can impose sentences            DLA Piper appoints                               Fairbrother Family Law
on persons who have been found guilty or           Special Counsel
plead guilty to certain minor imprisonable                                                          Lisa MacLennan has joined Napier firm
offences, and can conduct defended hearings        DLA Piper has appointed                          Fairbrother Family Law as a solicitor. Lisa
for a range of non-imprisonable offences.          N i c k Va l e n t i n e a s                     was admitted as a barrister and solicitor
                                                   Special Counsel. Nick                            in June 2013 after graduating LLB from
Louise Unger                                       specialises in IT and                            the University of Waikato. She also holds
joins lexvoco                                      telecommunications,                              a BA(Hons) in international relations
                                                   with a background in                             and affairs from Victoria University of
Louise Unger has joined newlaw                     intellectual property.                           Wellington. Before joining Fairbrother

        LETTER TO THE EDITOR

Court reporting
                                                   approved – sometimes they would languish           For court reporters to be able to do their
I read with interest Nick Butcher’s                and never be responded to.                       jobs as best as possible there must be sup-
article on court reporting (LawTalk 921,             Most lawyers and prosecutors, and              port from those in the industry, rather than
September 2018).                                   some court registrars, were helpful if           the attitude that the media are the enemy.
   I wish some of the reporters you’d asked        you wanted to clarify information. But a         Kelly Dennett
for comment had felt they could talk about         select few would refuse to be helpful; some      Sunday Star-Times News Director
the profession. Jock Anderson probably             were deliberately obstructive. Imagine, for
wasn’t the most balanced point of view.            example, trying to confirm the details of        LawTalk Editor Geoff
   One aspect that was missing was the             suppression order. Pretty basic stuff, but       Adlam replies:
Ministry of Justice and the courts’ accessibil-    even that could turn into a rigmarole.           Quite a number of reporters were approached
ity to help court reporters do their job better.     I’ve experienced judges kicking reporters      for comment, but all refused with the excep-
   I was a court reporter for Stuff, in            out of court rooms and locking the doors,        tion of Jock Anderson. Mr Anderson has a
Auckland, for years and one of the biggest         for no reason listed under statute, registrars   long career as a reporter of court proceedings
hurdles in trying to get accurate informa-         refusing or unwilling to let reporters know      and the legal profession and I believe his
tion – or indeed any information on a case         when a hearing is resuming, prosecutors          views were both fair and balanced, drawing
– was the courts themselves.                       and lawyers refusing to confirm basic            on his extensive experience and knowledge.
   It frequently felt like an ‘us versus them’     details like the spelling of a witness’s         Very few reporters would be able to match
mentality from court staff. Applications for       name, and court staff refusing to release        that, and none appear to share his willing-
summary of facts, court transcripts or even        charge sheets so media could find out the        ness to express his views on the important
suppression orders could take months to be         timetabling of an important hearing.             subject of court reporting.

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Family Law she worked for law firms in        with a background in the New Zealand          Cultural Anthropology). She completed
Taupo and Rotorua.                            Army’s Military Police, Customs Service       her LLM in February of this year. Lagi is a
                                              and MAF. Admitted in 2005, he has left the    member of the Law Society Family Section,
Chapman Tripp has new                         Police Prosecution Service to practise in     Wellington Family Courts Association and
Chief Operating Officer                       the areas of criminal/traffic, employment,    the Pasifika Lawyers’ Association. She
                                              victim rights/coronial representation and     has been volunteering at the Wellington
Sophia Gunn has                               the Defence Force Court Martial Defence       Community Law Centre since 2013.
commenced work with                           Panel.
Chapman Tripp as chief                                                                      New AMINZ President
operating officer. In her                     Maria Dew to carry out                        and Vice-President
role she will lead the                        Black Sticks investigation
firm’s senior leadership                                                                    Au c k l a n d b a r r i s t e r
team, working with the                        Auckland barrister Maria Dew has been         Royden Hindle has been
managing partners to                          appointed to lead an investigation into the   elected the new presi-
develop and implement national strategy.      New Zealand women’s hockey Black Sticks       dent of the Arbitrators’
She is responsible for the finance, tech-     team and its team culture. Hockey New         and Mediators’ Institute
nology, infrastructure, people and culture,   Zealand announced the review following        of New Zealand. Mr
business development and administrative       claims that the team coach had created a      Hindle is a member of
functions for Chapman Tripp nationally.       negative environment within the side. Ms      Bankside Chambers
Before joining Chapman Tripp Sophia was       Dew specialises in employment law and         and practises as an arbitrator, commer-
Chief Operating Officer at Deloitte for 18    is a member of Bankside Chambers. The         cial mediator, construction adjudicator,
years and before that, with Courier Post      review will be completed by the end of        facilitator and (occasionally) as an advo-
as their Commercial Manager.                  November 2018.                                cate. He was admitted as a barrister and
                                                                                            solicitor in March 1983 and moved to the
NZ winners in                                 Appointments                                  independent bar in 1996. He also teaches
Asialaw Dispute                               to Broadcasting                               dispute resolution at AUT University, and
Resolution Awards                             Standards Authority                           will continue in the role of AMINZ Director
                                                                                            of Professional Studies.
New Zealanders were among the award           District Court Judge Bill Hastings has           Nicola Harfield has
recipients at the Asialaw Asia-Pacific        been appointed chair of the Broadcasting      been elected AMINZ
Dispute Resolution Awards 2018. The win-      Standards Authority. Before appointment       Vi c e -P r e s i d e n t . M s
ners were announced in Hong Kong on 20        to the District Court, Judge Hastings was     Harfield is a former hos-
September. The event recognises the leading   Chief Censor from 1998 to 2010, and chair-    pital-based social worker
dispute resolution advisers in the region.    person of the Immigration and Protection      who mediates disputes
The winners were chosen by Asialaw’s          Tribunal from 2010 to February 2013.          in the workplace, com-
editorial staff after research between June      Staley Cardoza Lawyers partner Susie       munity and in families.
and August 2018. Bell Gully was winner        Staley has also been appointed to the         She also teaches mediation skills nationally
of the New Zealand National Law Firm          Authority Board. Ms Staley has chaired        and internationally.
of the Year Award. Stacey Shortall of         Maritime New Zealand and is currently            AMINZ’s seven-member board also
MinterEllisonRuddWatts won the New            chair for Save the Children NZ and            includes former High Court Judge, Paul
Zealand Disputes Star of the Year Award.      retirement village operator Chatsford         Heath QC, and family mediator Ngarongo
                                              Management. She was admitted as a bar-        Ormsby – both of them also newly elected
David Pawson establishes                      rister and solicitor in May 1989.             – along with incumbents Sophie East, Mark
Pawson Law Ltd                                   The appointments of Judge Hastings and     Kelly and Nicole Smith.
                                              Ms Staley are until 31 August 2021.
D av i d Paws o n has                                                                       Tim Rennie joins
commenced practice                            Lagi Tuimavave joins                          Juno Legal
from 1 November as sole                       Wellington Family Law
director of incorporated                                                                    Tim Rennie has joined Juno Legal and is
law firm Pawson Law                           Lagi Tuimavave has joined the team at         based in Auckland. He recently returned
Ltd in the Bay of Plenty.                     Wellington Family Law as a solicitor. She     home from London where he was Head of
David has 25 years of                         graduated from Victoria University in 2015    Legal for the prepaid product processor and
operational experience                        with a LLB and BA (Samoan Studies and         distribution network epay and held global

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responsibility for legal                         Sam Henry has been                          in Wellington and in London, and was
matters across multiple                       promoted to senior solic-                      admitted as a barrister and solicitor in
jurisdictions. Tim has                        itor. Sam joined the firm                      2002 having completed BA(Hons) and
extensive experience                          in 2014 and is a member                        LLB degrees. Anchali is on the board of
in general company                            of the civil and com-                          Women in Film and Television NZ and is
and commercial law,                           mercial litigation team.                       a director of Thankyou Payroll Ltd.
commercial contract-                          His practice includes a
ing, regulatory issues                        wide range of private                          K3 Legal appoints
including finance, privacy, competition and   and corporate clients to help resolve a        Toni Brown director
consumer regulatory, intellectual property    broad range of insurance and general civil
and e-commerce.                               litigation matters.                            K3 Legal has appointed
                                                                                             family and trust law
Lane Neave appoints                           Nicola Tiffen                                  specialist Toni Brown
new partner                                   appointed partner of                           as a director. Toni com-
                                              Anthony Harper                                 pleted a law degree at
Lane Neave has appointed Sharon Skinner                                                      the University of Otago
as a Wellington-based                         Anthony Harper has appointed Nicola            in 1989. She spent the
partner in its commercial                     Tiffen as a partner. Nicola will head          next 20 years in Otago
property team. Sharon                         Anthony Harper’s newly formed immigra-         and Central Otago before returning to
has extensive experience                      tion practice. She has 17 years’ experience    the North Island. After becoming a bar-
in all areas of commer-                       in immigration law and advises businesses,     rister sole in 2009, Toni started her own
cial property law, with                       HR teams and individuals on a wide range       law firm, Toni Brown Law, in Tauranga in
specific expertise in large                   of immigration issues.                         2013, specialising in family and trust law.
scale developments,                                                                          Her appointment at K3 Legal brings the
leasing, acquisition and disposal, public     James Warren appointed                         number of directors to seven.
works and Treaty of Waitangi related          Kensington Swan
projects for both corporate and public        Special Counsel                                Kerri Dewe appointed
entity clients. Before joining Lane Neave,                                                   director of Lowndes
she worked for another large national         Kensington Swan has
law firm and later owned and managed          appointed James Warren                         Lowndes has appointed
a boutique commercial property law firm       as Special Counsel in its                      Kerri Dewe as a director.
in Wellington.                                national employment                            Kerri joined Lowndes in
                                              team based in Auckland.                        2011 and has developed
Young Hunter announces                        James has 20 years’ expe-                      a successful practice
promotions                                    rience in employment                           in the corporate and
                                              law across both New                            M&A space, and is also
Christchurch firm Young                       Zealand and the UK. He has returned to         experienced in employ-
Hunter has announced                          New Zealand from Fieldfisher in London         ment matters. She has been recognised
three promotions.                             where he was a partner. His background         in Chambers Asia Pacific as Associate to
   Megan Gall has been                        includes advising a range of clients in var-   Watch and Legal500 Asia Pacific as Next
promoted to associate.                        ious industries, with a particular interest    Generation Lawyer.
Megan joined the firm as                      in the technology, media and retail sectors.
a law clerk in 2012. She                                                                     New Chief Human
is a member of the civil                      Anchali Anandanayagam                          Rights Commissioner
and commercial litigation team, and her       becomes Hudson
practice includes a wide                      Gavin Martin partner                           Paul Hunt has been appointed Chief
range of insurance and                                                                       Human Rights Commissioner. Currently a
general civil litigation                      Hudson Gavin Martin                            Professor at the School of Law in England’s
matters.                                      has appointed Anchali                          University of Essex, Professor Hunt was
   Liz Robb has been                          Anandanayagam as a                             a senior lecturer at the School of Law at
promoted to associate.                        partner. Anchali works                         Waikato University from 1992 in 2000. He
Liz first joined Young                        in the firm’s technol-                         has served as an independent expert on
Hunter in 2011 as a law                       ogy and media team,                            the UN Committee on Economic, Social
clerk and was admitted as a barrister and     specialising in tech-                          and Cultural Rights and as UN Special
solicitor in September 2011. She works in     nology procurement,                            Rapporteur on the right to the highest
the areas of land and business conveyanc-     development and support; dark fibre            attainable standard of health.
ing transactions, trust and estate planning   procurement; licensing and commercial-
and commercial transactions.                  isation arrangements. She has practised

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Sarah Alawi wins                               relationship property                         of the WorkSafe New Zealand Board.
Hon Rex Mason Prize                            law. She is also experi-                      Currently Deputy Chair, he has been acting
for Legal Writing                              enced in elder law and                        as Chair since Professor Gregor Coster’s
                                               is regularly appointed                        resignation from the board earlier this
Auckland lawyer Sarah Alawi has won the        as lawyer for the subject                     year. He is a former president of the New
2017 Hon Rex Mason Prize for Excellence        person.                                       Zealand Council of Trade Unions and is
in Legal Writing. Ms Alawi is an associate        Taupō lawyer, Brent                        a lawyer who has specialised in employ-
with Auckland law firm Gilbert/Walker,         Winkelmann, is a                              ment, workplace health and safety law,
which she joined after completing two          partner in Le Pine & Co.                      and mediation.
years as a Judges’ Clerk at the High Court     His practice focuses on                          For the past 10 years, he has been
in Auckland.                                   residential and commer-                       involved in international development
   To be eligible for the award, entries had   cial property, trusts and                     work and was Chief Technical Adviser for
to have been published in a New Zealand        business law.                                 the International Labour Organisation in
legal publication between 1 January 2017          NZ LAW has thanked                         Myanmar from 2012-13. He is currently
and 31 December 2017.                          the two directors who                         Chair of the Unions Aotearoa International
   Ms Alawai received the award for her        retired after each having                     Development Trust, the Major Arc Media
article “Gestational Surrogacy Disputes:       served six years on the board. Jacqui Gray    Trust and the Education Benevolent
A Proposed Cause of Action for Intended        (Gifford Devine, Hastings) had responsi-      Society.
Parents in New Zealand”, which was pub-        bility for member firm staff training and
lished in the New Zealand Law Review in        development. Oamaru lawyer, Michael           Berry & Co appoints new
2017.                                          de Buyzer, from Berry & Co, has held the      Queenstown partners
   Three other entries received “honourable    board’s insurance portfolio.
mentions”:                                                                                   Berry & Co has announced the appointment
   Anjori Mitra for her article “We’re         New Special Counsel                           of two new partners in its Queenstown
always going to argue about abortion:          at Hesketh Henry                              office.
International law’s changing attitudes                                                          Alastair Holland has
towards abortion” published in the New         Emma Tonkin has been appointed as a           been with the firm since
Zealand Women’s Law Journal – Te Aho Kawe      Special Counsel in the Hesketh Henry          2016, having practised
Kaupapa Ture a nga Wahine in 2017;             Private Wealth team. Emma joins the           since 2010 at a large firm
   Nicola Hulley for her book review           firm after 18 years at a national law firm,   in Auckland. Alastair’s
“International Arbitration and Global          interspersed with time in London. Her         background is in banking
Governance, Contending Theories and            work includes experience in both private      and finance and he has
Evidence” published in the New Zealand         wealth and property and she acts for many     a particular interest in
Yearbook of International Law in 2017; and     high net worth individuals and families.      commercial law and rural property law.
   Claudia Geiringer for her entry “The        Emma specialises in advising those who           Helen Clarke has
Constitutional Role of the Courts under        wish to invest in New Zealand. She has        been with the firm since
the NZ Bill of Rights: Three Narratives        acted on a number of applications under       2014, and has practised
from Attorney-General v Taylor” published      the Overseas Investment Act.                  in the Queenstown Lakes
in the Victoria University of Wellington                                                     region since her admis-
Law Review in 2017.                            Ross Wilson to chair                          sion to the bar in 2008.
   The prize is New Zealand’s oldest legal     WorkSafe New                                  Helen specialises in all
writing prize. It was established in 1973      Zealand Board                                 aspects of private client
and commemorates Henry Greathead Rex                                                         practice including conveyancing, leases,
Mason (1885-1975), one of New Zealand’s        Ross Wilson has been appointed Chair          trusts and asset planning.
longest-serving MPs. Valued at around
$1,000 each year, the prize is managed by
the Wellington branch of the New Zealand
Law Society, as trustee for the Honourable
Rex Mason Trust.

NZ LAW Ltd appoints
two new directors
NZ LAW Ltd has appointed two new direc-
tors to its board.
  Melissa Bourke, a partner in Palmerston
North law firm Innes Dean Tararua Law,
advises clients on trust, property and

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Te Reo admission ceremony
a wonderful celebration
BY GEOFF
   ADLAM

                                         address to the court from his father     my whānau and our people is seen
In a moving and celebratory              and a waiata and a haka. Following       when we recognise the 150 years
ceremony in the New Plymouth             his admission he signed the oldest       since the pursuit of Tītokowaru,
High Court, Te Wehi Wright was           known register of lawyers in New         and the time of Te Whiti and Tohu
admitted as a barrister and solicitor    Zealand, dating back to 1861.            when our ancestors were taken
of the High Court of New Zealand on        “Justice Grice addressed Te Wehi       down south,” Mr Wright says.
10 October in Taranaki’s first admis-    and his family,” the President of the       “What happened to our people
sion ceremony to be conducted in         Taranaki branch of the New Zealand       was not lost on us, and to add my
te reo Māori.                            Law Society, Caroline Silk, says.        name to the oldest known register
   Mr Wright, 25, graduated from           “She ably spoke about the history      in the country, and reflecting that
Victoria University of Wellington        of the Taranaki Bar and the signifi-     some of the names on there may
last year with an LLB and BA in          cance of signing the oldest existing     have been responsible for the
Māori Studies and Māori Resource         register in the country. She also        imprisonment of my ancestors, sig-
Management. He is working for            spoke about the significance of the      nals a positive change for my people
Tuaropaki Trust in TaupŌ.                design of the new ceremonial robes.      in reshaping our peoples’ perception
   “This was another manifestation         “It was a humbling experience          of the law, and our recovery process
of a dream shared by my parents          and we feel privileged to have been      from that trauma.
to raise a te reo Māori speaking         able to be part of it and to have been      “For me personally, being admit-
whānau,” he says.                        able to address the court. It is truly   ted here, under my mountain is
   “It was a great celebration for our   great that the court and her Honour      testament to the hard work and
whānau, and the profession.”             Justice Grice were able to accommo-      dedication that my parents and
   Mr Wright was admitted by             date Te Wehi’s wish to be admitted       whānau put in to ensure our gener-
Justice Christine Grice before a court   in his native and first language.”       ation were grounded in our culture,
gallery which was full with mem-                                                  sound in our beliefs, proficient in
bers of his whānau and supporters.       A significant occasion                   our language and measured in how
His whānau supported him with an         “The significance of this occasion for   we carry ourselves.”

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                                                  PEOPLE
                                                  PROFILE

                                          Suzanne
Persistence and patience                  Innes-Kent,
                                          Judges’ Clerk,
Mr Wright says securing the Te Reo
ceremony was a matter of “persis-
tence and patience”.

                                          Employment
   “I made the request to move the
ceremony from Wellington to New
Plymouth to be closer to my grand-

                                          Court, Auckland
father, but that the ceremony also
be in full te reo Māori. In recognition
of our worldview.
   “Right up until the practice run,
changes were made, limits were
pushed and the courtroom was still        BY ANGHARAD
accommodating of the request to              O’FLYNN
have speakers, karakia, waiata, haka
and photos.
   “Some may have got a little
impatient and decided on another                                                    jointly run by the Italian govern-
ceremony, just to be admitted, but        Suzanne Innes-Kent has an                 ment and a particular university.
I learnt how accommodating the            impressive list of qualifications: an     That is how we got invited to do the
process can be if you’re patient but      LLB(Hons); LLM (Distinction); Dip         WHO programme,” she says.
persistent but most of all, com-          Soc Sci (Distinction) and BA(Hons).
mitted to your path. It may have          But that only tells part of her story.    Before the law
dragged out longer than usual, but        Suzanne has also trained and              “I had been working for many
the ultimate outcome was reached          worked in a myriad of fields, and         years as a workplace consultant
and I would not have changed it           a war zone.                               specialising in conflict and rela-
for anything.                                She has trained election monitors      tionship-building, so I was doing
   “The tears dripping down the           in Italy, doctors involved in the civil   lots of mediation, but there was
faces of my whānau and all others         war in Sri Lanka, World Health            a limit to what I could do without
involved, Māori and Pakeha showed         Organisation (WHO) officials in           legal training.
a positive step for the profession and    Geneva, and done training in the             “A particular memory is of being
for Taranaki, in moving towards an        Australian outback “for assistance        called in to provide professional
open and diverse future.”                 to a human rights NGO to work with        coaching to a senior manager,
                                          UN agencies in war zones”.                then accompanying him to an ‘off
High Court has te                            She says the WHO work was to           the record’ informal meeting where
reo ceremony                              ensure entry into areas of Sri Lanka      he was served with a termination
The Ministry of Justice has devel-        that desperately needed help.             notice, and thinking ‘this cannot be
oped a Te Reo Order of Ceremony for          “My husband and I were training        right’, but having no idea how to
moving counsel after an admission         medical personnel in negotiating          stand up for him. On the other hand,
conducted in the Wellington High          entry to rebel-held areas for public      I have worked for employers deal-
Court. Candidates for admission           health reasons – eg, children’s inoc-     ing with seriously incompetent or
may choose to have the entire             ulations, water sanitation and such.      unacceptable employee behaviours
ceremony conducted in Te Reo, or          Medical personnel were some of the        and trying too hard to accommodate
counsel may move admission in Te          few who could cross lines during          them.”
Reo (“Kia uruhau te Kōti, ka tono au      the civil war.                               These experiences encouraged
kia eke a [Name] ki te paepae o ngā          “We were under contract to the         Suzanne’s interest in the law, spe-
rōia poumua me ngā rōia poumuri           WHO, which then invited us to             cifically in employment law.
o tēnei Kōti Rangatira”) and the          Geneva to train their headquarters           “I did an LLM at Victoria
candidate may assent to the oath          staff in negotiation/mediation.           University while working more or
or affirmation by saying either “Kei      We had previously trained Italian         less full-time, and loved that; but
te whakaae ahau” or “I do”. ▪             election monitors, through a project      then later, for family reasons, I had

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to return from Singapore where                                                    answers to often complex and
my husband and I were living, and                                                 most important problems. I get a
I saw my chance to do the LLB, thus                                               buzz from arguing the point with
reinforcing my husband’s view that                                                the most knowledgeable people in
I specialise in doing things in the                                               the field. I have learned that you are
wrong order.                                                                      never too old to learn, that research
   “To go to university not just as                                               really does pay off, and that law
a mature student, but as someone                                                  really is about justice, despite some
long in the tooth with very varied                                                public scepticism.”
life experience, was an absolute
privilege. I loved everything I                                                   Inspirations
learned in all my subjects, and now                                               “I am constantly inspired by people
that I am focusing on employment                                                  around me – but people who com-
law, my only regret is that I am not                                              bine intellect and worldly acumen
pursuing other interesting areas of                                               with down-to-earth humanity will
law.”                                                                             do it for me every time.
                                                                                     “Lawyer Karen Harding, who
A portfolio career                                                                fought for exploited Indonesian
“My background experience means                                                   fishermen, is my most recent
that I can see the human stories                                                  inspiration.”
behind both parties in litigation.                                                   Ms Harding won a case in the
   “I also have limited tolerance for                                             Supreme Court for 30 Indonesian
the occasional elitism I come across                                              fishermen seeking redress from the
in the law profession. I value hugely                                             Crown and a South Korean fishing
the institutions of law and its superb                                            company for human rights breaches
senior practitioners, including and,                                              due to lack of pay, poor working
in particular, the judges I am privi-                                             conditions and violence.
leged to work with.
   “I think that law views people and                                             Current issues in the
issues quite narrowly, and law firms                                              legal profession
would benefit from having people                                                   With a unique view on the world,
who have done something else too. My background in           Suzanne’s observations on the legal profession from
psychology, for instance, brings a perspective on the        now working at the frontline are logical, constructive
dynamics of handling self-litigants.                         criticisms felt by many in the legal profession.
   “Any non-law background will widen the perspective           “I think things are changing. Law firms need to find
of people entering a career in law. In my case, I have       more creative work arrangements so that people can
had something of a ‘portfolio’ career.”                      work flexibly, or on contract, as well as in traditional
   Along with her academic accomplishments, Suzanne          employment relationships. This means being more family
has worked in radio and television talking about personal    and life-friendly.
relationships. She has written two books, Someone To            “Fees need to come down – fees are the biggest barrier
Love and Love for All Seasons; set up litigation-avoiding    to access to justice.
‘partnerships’ in major utilities management contracts;         “Harassment of women - and I have no doubt some
been a teacher and a social worker, and also been a          men - is now being investigated. Ridiculously long,
social work trainer.                                         exploitative hours need to be tackled.
   “I have been mentor and coach across organisations           “Mentoring schemes are important – starting out in
from boards and CEOs to frontline staff, from a mayor        law is tough in the best of circumstances – it matters
and councillors to possum hunters who lived mostly in        to get it right and there is much to learn. The online
the bush. Prior to my social work career, I taught at high   world is in the process of changing fundamentally
schools both in New Zealand and in Tonga.”                   the way lawyers will need to work. We need to get
                                                             clear what it is we offer that cannot be done by an
Enjoyment in her legal work                                  algorithm.”
Suzanne’s first legal job is her current one.                   Suzanne is quite possibly qualified to provide a nov-
   “I am still in my first legal job, as Judges’ Clerk at    el-length list of advice, but she shares just one simple
the Auckland Employment Court. There I am at the             but encouraging piece of advice to both lawyers and
heart of the interpretation and application of the law       non-lawyers alike:
in the employment field. It is endlessly demanding and          “Hold out for what you want; think not just about
constantly novel.                                            the job but about the kind of profession you want to be
   “I love the sense of contribution to finding legal        part of. Get involved in local legal practitioner groups.” ▪

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        PROFILE

The Innovators:
Anton Smith, CEO
Consensus New Zealand
LawFest organiser Andrew King continues a series of
interviews with key legal professionals with their inno-
vation and technology stories.

What does legal innovation                 to you if they feel a connection to
mean to you?                               you. How do you build and maintain
It means listening to lawyers and          that connection in an increasingly
their customers and solving prob-          digital playing field? That’s the big
lems. Clients are often in the posi-       question and, I think, the cause of         perfect, and that’s freeing. You have to be in it for the
tion where there’s no question they        great pressure to come.                     long haul and constantly strive for perfection
need legal assistance but, frankly, if                                                   I think fear of failure is a big problem for all of us work-
they could avoid it they probably          What developments do                        ing in this industry. The best lawyers I’ve encountered or
would. So what can or should we            you see in how legal                        worked for are the ones who recognise they won’t always
as an industry be doing to make            services are delivered?                     have all the answers straight away and, equally, that those
the interaction easier and simpler?        How legal advice is packaged,               working for them offer different perspectives that can
That’s what legal innovation should        conveyed and paid for will change           deliver nuggets of gold. We have to be more open to the
be all about, in my opinion.               for the better. How legal advice is         opportunities failure and different perspectives present.
                                           produced is also evolving through             As more lawyers adopt this innovative mindset, we
What role does technology                  software, making many tasks pre-            will see the transformation of the industry that our
play in innovation?                        viously done by junior lawyers and          stakeholders are crying out for.
User experience is everything and          law clerks redundant. That presents
user-centred innovation demands            a separate and major challenge for          Why is it important for legal professionals
the smart use of technology. Those         our profession’s growth and longev-         to continue to learn about legal innovation
who will succeed in #legaltech will        ity and demands grappling with.             and leveraging technology?
only do so if they add value, and                                                      The lawyers and firms with longevity will be the ones
they’ll do it by making consuming          What opportunities has legal                with competitive advantage, gained through leveraging
and providing legal advice easier,         innovation brought you?                     the right technologies. That doesn’t necessarily mean AI
better and less daunting.                  The chance to meet and work with            or chatbots, although I appreciate software will become
                                           some of the smartest brains and for-        increasingly of interest. I mean using even very simple
What pressures are                         ward-thinking professionals Aotearoa        technologies to build a profile online.
organisations facing in the                has to offer. It’s also been a way to dig      The old approach of firms being comprised of ‘grinders’
delivery of legal services?                deep into the frustrations those we         (lawyers who prefer to ‘do the doing’) and ‘rainmakers’
Clients will always put pressure on        live to serve as lawyers have about         (the legal salespeople) is already over. You can be a
price, especially if they don’t appre-     our profession. There is a literal abun-    ‘grinder’ who doesn’t enjoy the business development
ciate the value lawyers provide. It’s      dance of problems to solve.                 side of private practice and still use technology to market
something which can be hard to                                                         your brand.
convey, but it’s essential and creates     What are some of your tips to                  Legal professionals need to convey who they are and
competitive advantage for those who        start innovating or developing              why they’re the best at what they do in a professional
get it right. However, no one is inter-    an innovative mindset?                      and appealing way, and they can actually do that at min-
ested in a race to the bottom with         Develop a hypothesis - your guess           imal cost. It’s an exciting call to action for our industry
price, so what’s your differentiator as    about what your users or customers          and one I’m thrilled to be exploring. ▪
a lawyer if not price? To me, it’s who     want - and then test it continuously.
you are. At a certain point, most law-     Honestly, it’s about running experi-        Andrew King  andrew@lawfest.nz is organiser of
yers have the experience to answer         ments. You have to not only be open         LawFest 2019, which will be held in Auckland on 21
the majority of client questions in        to being wrong, you have to expect          March 2019. Anton Smith will be one of the speakers
their field, so the client will be loyal   it. What you try is never going to be       at the event  www.lawfest.nz

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