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RTS Cambridge 2019

CONTENT,
CONSUMERS
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IN BETWEEN

+ Mark Thompson and Jeff Pope
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RTS London
           Christmas
              Lecture                                        From the CEO
                                                              What a truly engaging RTS Cambridge
                                                              that was – one of the very best ever.
                                                              Unusually, even the weather was on
                                                              our side.
                                                                There are so many people to thank
                                                              for conceiving and delivering Cam-
                                                              bridge, but most of all I’d like to thank
                                                              ITV’s Carolyn McCall and her team,
                                                              led by the matchless Emma Gormley.
                                                              Emma and her co-executive pro-
                                                              ducer, Helen Scott, did us proud.
                                                                Thanks, too, to all the keynote
                                                              speakers, our brilliant panellists and

                                  Contents
                                      5       Liz Reynolds’ TV Diary
                                              There’s no prorogation for Liz Reynolds, as one
                                              conference leads to another

                                              RTS Cambridge Convention 2019
                                              Reports by Matthew Bell, Steve Clarke, Tara Conlan
                                              Caroline Frost and Gordon Jamieson

David                             7           One Content, consumers and
                                              everything in between
                                              Television has a bright future despite the blizzard
                                              of change, argues Carolyn McCall

Abraham                          10           Two The truth about Gen Z
                                              Young entrepreneurs and influencers analysed the
                                              importance of authenticity, social activism and new
                                              platforms such as TikTok to this generation

CEO of Wonderhood Studios
and former CEO of Channel 4
                                 12           Three Running on empty
                                              Non-scripted television is in robust health
                                              despite the drama boom

                                 14           Four Keynote: Sharon White
                                              Ofcom Chief Executive Sharon White weighs
                                              up the regulator’s hits and misses

  4 December
                                 16           Five Keynote: Nicky Morgan MP
                                              The Secretary of State wants to see UK
                                              broadcasters co-operating more

  6:30pm for 7:00pm
                                 18           Six Keynote: David Zaslav
                                              Discovery’s dominance in factual TV will preserve it
                                              from the consolidation feeding frenzy, believes its CEO
  Cavendish Conference Centre
  22 Duchess Mews, W1G 9DT
                                Editor                     Production, design             News editor and writer
                                Steve Clarke               and advertising                Matthew Bell
                                smclarke_333@hotmail.com   Gordon Jamieson                bell127@btinternet.com
  www.rts.org.uk/london                                    gordon.jamieson.01@gmail.com
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Journal of The Royal Television Society
                                                                                                              October 2019 l Volume 56/9

session producers, and the Cambridge                 Chaired by Good Morning Britain’s Ran-                            ducted by the Newsnight anchor.
planning committee, without whom                     vir Singh, this commendably inclusive                               Moving on from Cambridge, this
none of this would have been possible.               panel introduced a fresh note to the                              year’s Steve Hewlett Memorial Lec-
   Television contains reports of all                discussions.                                                      ture was given by Mark Thompson.
17 sessions, and we have a Cam-                         I was thrilled that many of the RTS                              This statesman-like address by the
bridge-themed TV Diary from Free-                    bursary students attended on the last                             cerebral former BBC Director-General
view’s Liz Reynolds. Videos of all the               day. It was especially revealing to                               was extremely thoughtful, eloquent
sessions, on our website, are proving                listen to Lorraine Kelly’s interviews                             and set the agenda for UK and, indeed,
popular. So, if you haven’t done so                  with our students during her own                                  global media policy.
already, do please take a look.                      session on social mobility, “Blow the
   One of the big differences this year              bloody doors off”.
was that the conference involved real                   Kirsty Wark’s headline-generating
consumers in the debates. The Leeds-                 interview with Netflix’s Reed Hastings
based People’s Panel brought the voice               was also remarkable. I think that was
of the viewers live to Cambridge.                    one of the very best interviews con-                              Theresa Wise

20           Seven The rights stuff
             What does the rise of the streaming giants mean
             for UK producers and broadcasters’ IP?                                40                Sixteen Blow the bloody doors off!
                                                                                                     What will it take to end working-class exclusion from
                                                                                                     positions of influence in the media, asks Lorraine Kelly

22           Eight Keynote: Jeremy Darroch
             Being part of Comcast gives Sky great global
             potential, argues Sky’s CEO                                           42                Seventeen Better TV or better diversity?
                                                                                                     Lenny Henry urges executives to scrap failing diversity
                                                                                                     schemes and spend the money making TV with
                                                                                                     diverse talent

24           Nine Part 1 Who you gonna trust?
             How well are TV companies and their online rivals
             doing at winning and keeping public confidence?
                                                                                   44                Our Friend in the Midlands
                                                                                                     From TV to games, the Birmingham area is making a

26           Nine Part 2 Trust in numbers
             Ed Williams shares Edelman’s research findings that
                                                                                                     splash on the global stage, explains Caren Davies

             streamers are gaining ground on PSBs in the trust stakes
                                                                                   45                A question of sovereignty
                                                                                                     Mark Thompson argues that policymakers need

28           Ten The world has gone nuts!
             Piers Morgan tells Christine Lampard that’s he’s only
             one vegan sausage roll away from being sacked
                                                                                                     to rethink their attitude towards the BBC – or risk
                                                                                                     total US cultural dominance

30           Eleven Keynote: Alex Mahon
             Channel 4’s CEO says PSBs need supportive regulation
             to protect local voices that reflect UK viewers’ lives
                                                                                   48                Loud and proud
                                                                                                     Matthew Bell hears how Anne Lister’s world was
                                                                                                     reconstructed for TV and why this complex character
                                                                                                     has wowed viewers

32           Twelve Mad Men vs Math Men
             Will data kill advertising – or is there still a role
             for creative storytelling that builds brands?                         50                IBC review: 5G opens the door to 8K
                                                                                                     Tim Dams rounds up the talking points from this
                                                                                                     year’s tech fest

34           Thirteen Keynote: Tony Hall
             In turbulent times, the BBC should play to its strengths
             in trusted news and national storytelling
                                                                                   52                Why crime pays for Jeff Pope
                                                                                                     Steve Clarke is engrossed as the acclaimed writer and
                                                                                                     producer looks back on his extraordinary career

36           Fourteen Keynote: Reed Hastings
             Netflix’s CEO explains why he is relaxed as he prepares
             to face competition from Apple and Disney                             57                RTS news and events listings
                                                                                                     Reports of Society activities across the nations and
                                                                                                     regions, and calendar of forthcoming public events

38           Fifteen You gotta have a stream
             Can streamers funded by subscriptions or ads coexist –
             or will one model come to dominate?

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TV diary
                                   There’s no prorogation for Liz Reynolds,
                                     as one conference leads to another

   I
             t’s September. That means      ■ With Cambridge bathed in                view of the future for British media
             back to school. And not just   warmer than normal autumnal sun-          as a “cultural Airstrip One” without
             for the kids.                  shine, the relentlessly sunny Reed        more robust and ambitious policy
                With Edinburgh hang­        Hastings gives a much anticipated         intervention. He asserts that “it is…
             overs barely forgotten, and    interview. He doesn’t disappoint.         of overwhelming importance that
             TV execs and politicians       Kirsty Wark is in playful mood and        British audiences still get access to
             still reeling from Dorothy     the Hollywood mogul handles her           great news, drama, comedy [and]
   Byrne’s outlandishly honest Mac­         questions with as much grace and          documentary made first and fore-
   Taggart Lecture, conference season       humour as Tom Hanks in an episode         most for them and them alone”.
   gets into full swing.                    of The Graham Norton Show.                   From a Freeview point of view,
     Not in Bournemouth but in Cam­           Lenny Henry’s impassioned and           I couldn’t agree more. The lecture
   bridge, courtesy of ITV, for the RTS     urgent appeal for change on diversity     follows major success for British
   biennial convention. There’s no pro­     ends the convention on a serious          talent at the Emmys, led by the
   rogation for us.                         note. Throughout, Baz’s parish            indomitable Phoebe Waller-Bridge.
                                            notices are a joy.                        Congratulations to all the winners,
   ■ Turns out that last month’s illumi-      With more than a sprinkling of ITV      on and off screen, and long life to
   nating TV Diary from Neil Thomp-         showbiz (and some actual consumers)       the concept of “hot priests”.
   son provides the perfect segue into      thrown in for good measure, Carolyn
   Piers and Susanna’s triumphant turn      McCall’s vision for a positive and pro-   ■ The month ends with the exciting
   at the three-day conference. Back        vocative conference is realised.          announcement that BritBox will fea­
   from their summer sojourns, it feels                                               ture on Freeview’s smart-TV service,
   like the team from GMB have liter-       ■ No sooner am I back from Cam­           Freeview Play, and with one final
   ally been parachuted in.                 bridge than it’s off to Brighton for a    hotel room – this time in Manches­
      Susanna is firmly at the helm of      quick spin at Labour’s conference.        ter, where the mood is more colour­
   the opening afternoon. The next day,     The mood’s tense and the MPs I talk       ful than the weather.
   her sidekick, Piers, blows everyone      to are generally despondent. By Tues­        The Sky News party is packed with
   away with carefully casual rhetorical    day, I’m back in London and we inter­     parliamentarians – one or two even
   hand grenades.                           rupt a board meeting to watch the         dance. Damian Collins MP hosts a
                                            Supreme Court’s historic judgment.        lively “in conversation with” culture
   ■ On a self-interested note, it’s fan­     Around our table, jaws drop when        secretary Nicky Morgan MP and we
   tastic to see Freeview named as the      the unanimous ruling comes. I             get some insight into her views on
   most trusted UK TV brand in Edel­        breathe a sigh of relief when we get      broadband roll-out, online harms and
   man’s research commissioned for          confirmation later the same day that      the value of PSB.
   the convention.                          Gina Miller will take part in Free­          This was no ordinary September
     In an age when brands seem able to     view’s annual conference in Novem­        (now there’s an understatement). And,
   attract as much distrust as trust, it    ber. An unforgettable day.                as we hurtle towards half-term and a
   gives us all a warm feeling that the                                               deal or no deal I’m ready for a break.
   public values what I’d say is the        ■ Another week, another event. This       Time to catch up on Bake Off and
   essence of British TV’s success –        time, the prestigious Steve Hewlett       Strictly with the kids.
   access to high-quality shows for         Memorial Lecture, given by Mark
   everyone, regardless of geography        Thompson. He pulls no punches.            Liz Reynolds is head of communications
   or income.                               The former DG offers up a stark           and external affairs at Freeview.

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MEDIA-
MORPHOSIS
Tuning up, tuning in,
and taking off

The birth and evolution of a
beautiful new “Living Business”.

accenture.com/media-morphosis
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RTS Cambridge 2019
           Session One

   Content, consumers
   and everything
   in between
   Carolyn McCall argues
   that television has a
   bright future despite
   the blizzard of change

‘S
                   hifting viewing habits,
                   developments in tech-
                   nology and the rapidly
                   evolving competitive
                   landscape are having a
                   fundamental impact on
   our industry,” argued RTS Convention
   Chair Carolyn McCall as she opened
   Cambridge 2019.
      But amid the change and uncer-
   tainty, which included Britain’s future
   relationship with Europe and the rest
   of the world, McCall maintained that
   television had a bright future.
      “[Viewers] are looking for creative,
   trusted producers and broadcasters to
   help them both navigate and under-
   stand the world in which we are liv-
   ing and, as importantly, to help them
   escape from it into other dramas,” she
   said. “Trust in TV news is remarkably
   high – higher than all other media
   and, of course, much more valued
   than the news provided by social
   media.
      “In fact, in an era of fake news and
   misinformation, the importance of
   the news provided by public service
   broadcasters, in particular, has never
   been more important to our
   democracy.”
      However, young people saw tradi-
                                             Richard Kendal

   tional TV bulletins as “for their mums
   and dads”, admitted McCall. ITV’s
   response, she revealed, is a new social
   media news service for teenagers, �

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RTS Cambridge 2019
       Session One

    The People’s
    Panel get
    their say
    Susanna Reid introduced a group of
    viewers from Leeds who made up the
    People’s Panel: ‘No one is more impor-
    tant than our audience. We totally rely
    on our viewers.’
        The line-up, facilitated by GMB political
    editor Ranvir Singh included Sabrina, 36,
    Phil, 51, Sandi, 72, Josh, 20, Carrie, 49,

                                                                                                                                                 Richard Kendal
    Phillip, 34, Steven, 64, and Marie, 46.
        Their tastes were wide-ranging.
    Grandmother and part-time charity
    worker Sandi likes to watch daytime TV
    and is a big fan of Piers Morgan. ‘I know,       Ranvir Singh (right) chaired the People’s Panel
    if something has happened the day
    before, something is going to come out           documentaries and drama but thought         – I like action programmes, she likes
    of his mouth to tell us all about it – his       that news and entertainment prog­           soaps and reality shows such as Love
    version and nobody else’s.’                      rammes lacked diversity: ‘There’s no        Island, which is not my cup of tea, but
        She added: ‘I like outspoken presen­         newsreader in a wheelchair, there’s no      we both like natural history.”
    ters – Janet Street-Porter and Piers.            one with a prosthetic leg presenting The         Reality shows are top of school
    They say what they think, probably what          X Factor.’                                  teacher Marie’s viewing menu, especially
    we’d like to say but daren’t. It’s never            Phillip likes Peaky Blinders and any-    The Real Housewives of Cheshire.
    vulgar, it’s honest.                             thing starring Ricky Gervais. ‘On an        ‘I like to see the lifestyles of the rich and
        ‘Even disagreeing makes you feel             evening, we usually watch a couple          famous,’ she said. Their glamour is far
    you’re engaging.’                                of hours. It’s difficult deciding what to   removed from her own life.
        At the other end of the age spec-            watch so we’ll toss a coin to decide who         Sabrina enjoys binge-watching dra-
    trum was university student Josh, who            gets to choose,’ he said.                   mas, such as Doctor Foster and Killing
    watches TV on his mobile. Love Island is            Steven prefers shows featuring fast      Eve. ‘I watch the ones I’ve heard about
    among his favourite shows.                       cars. He and his partner live in separate   on social media,’ she said. ‘And I don’t
        Disabled single mum Carrie enjoys            homes. ‘We have very different interests    just watch the one, I carry on watching.’

                                                                                                   � The Rundown. The ITV CEO argued

    TV: you’ve never had it so good                                                                that viewers are increasingly watching
                                                                                                   shows when they want: “Every month,
                                                                                                   80% of UK households watch video-­
    ‘Our research tells us that viewers have        to [do so]. It can sometimes feel like         on-demand in one form or another.”
    never been happier,’ said ITV director          there isn’t much of a case for optimism,          Nevertheless, she added, “the ‘linear
    of audiences Neil Mortensen. ‘They’re           but we can safely say that television          familiar’ is still going strong – with
    excited about the way TV is going, as           isn’t facing an existential threat any         84% of total broadcast viewing still
    the balance of power shifts towards             time soon.…                                    taking place live. The challenge for all
    them.…                                              ‘In the modern TV era, there have          of us – in business, in government and
       ‘Mainstream viewers are becoming             always been around four hours a day            in regulation – is to strike the right
    less anchored in the schedule.… For             of TV viewing up for grabs. That hasn’t        balance in what we do between these
    some demographics, broadcast TV only            changed much as TV continues to                two worlds.”
    represents half of their viewing and, for       deliver on basic human needs in a sim-            In conversation with Good Morning
    younger audiences, they watch less live         ple, cost-effective and primary way.           Britain presenter Susanna Reid, McCall
    TV year after year.…                                ‘The future will continue to throw up      added more flesh to her speech, out-
       ‘Fewer ads are seen in real time and,        disruption, technological battles [and]        lining how ITV was planning to
    at the same time, platforms are multi­          economic battles. But, for the viewer,         respond to this changing TV landscape.
    plying and prominence diminishing.              it is a creative battle. And that’s some-         “All of us are dealing with challeng-
       ‘So it’s harder for a show to cut            thing we should all be looking forward         ing issues because it’s a time of great
    through and even harder for the ads             to with confidence.’                           change in the industry,” she said. “If
                                                                                                   viewer habits are ­changing and you

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Presenters Ant and Dec joined the discus-
sion between ITV director of television
Kevin Lygo (bottom left) and Susanna Reid

can see them unfolding in front of you,
you have to respond to that.”
   The CEO argued that the ITV model
was not broken – but that the broad-
caster would have to innovate to pros-
per: “The linear, free-to-air model is a
really successful model, it’s ad-funded
and it will last for a long time. But you
have to think of how you diversify as
well.” McCall identified in-house pro-
duction company ITV Studios and the
new BBC/ITV VoD service BritBox as
two pillars of diversification.
   She claimed that BritBox, which is
due to launch before the end of the
year, would be “distinctive”, offering
“the breadth and depth of British-­
originated content” and representing

                                                                                                                                     Richard Kendal
“good value” at £5.99 a month.
   “I am very optimistic about the
future because the core of what we do
is programmes, content and engage-
ment – we create audiences all the
time and we do that because we have
such powerful content,” continued the        Tried, tested and addictive
ITV CEO. “We will always do advertis-
ing, but we will not just be doing linear    Discussing the strong ratings currently     culled before they have time to find
advertising, we will also do more tar-       enjoyed by his channel, ITV director        their feet. ‘It’s harder – and it’s the
geted advertising through technology.”       of television Kevin Lygo highlighted        great tension between producers
   McCall admitted that attracting           soaps, which ‘are easily overlooked’. He    and broadcasters – to give shows
younger viewers is more of a chal-           added: ‘If you don’t watch soap opera       more time. The modern experience,
lenge: “You have to work much, much          and catch a tiny bit of one, it does look   I’m afraid, is more brutal than it ever
harder on telly to reach [them] today”.      appalling. But, if you watch it all the     used to be, because there is so much
But she pointed out that it wasn’t just      time, it’s the best thing in your life.     choice,’ admitted Lygo. ‘The hits are
Love Island that was pulling in a               ‘I’m addicted to Coronation Street…      easy, the failures are easy – it’s the
younger audience on ITV channels:            and I haven’t missed an episode since       ones in between, where the producer
“Over 50% of 16-24s watch I’m a Celeb-       the 1970s.’                                 is on his knees begging you for another
rity… – people wouldn’t expect that.…           Lygo stressed the importance of          series… that’s quite hard.’
When you get it right content-wise for       long-established shows to a broadcast-         Star ITV presenters Ant and Dec,
them, they come.”                            er’s schedules. ‘A lot of our big enter-    beamed into the conference from the
   The ITV CEO added: “We don’t mind         tainment shows have been running for        Good Morning Britain studio in London,
how they watch it.… If they’re going to      years and years, and I don’t think they     offered their take on live TV.
watch our content on their mobiles,          were ever designed to do that. Every-          ‘You want to watch it then and there
that’s fine.” n                              one who started those shows would           and don’t want to deal with catch-up
                                             be amazed that they’re still running and    [TV],’ said Anthony McPartlin.
Session One, ‘Content, consumers and         doing such huge numbers. It’s a testa-         ‘You try to make it unmissable… and
everything in between’, featured: Carolyn    ment to the programme-makers who            get the family together on the sofa to
McCall, CEO, ITV; Neil Mortensen, director   reinvent them all the time.’                watch the TV and share that event,’
of audiences, ITV; and Kevin Lygo, direc-       Mentioning I’m a Celebrity…, Britain’s   added Declan Donnelly.
tor of television, ITV. It was chaired by    Got Talent and Strictly Come Dancing,          With countless seasons of I’m a
journalists and broadcasters Susanna Reid    Lygo added: ‘It’s amazing that you still    Celebrity…, Saturday Night Takeaway
and Ranvir Singh, and produced by Neil       get 10 million people to come to these      and Britain’s Got Talent under their
Thompson, Sally Watson and Nick Caldon.      shows in the modern world when              belts, the duo are experts in live enter-
Reports by Matthew Bell and Steve Clarke.    there’s so much choice.’                    tainment shows. ‘Time for a new one,
                                                New shows, however, are often            guys,’ joked Lygo.
Watch the video at https://bit.ly/35k2Ruz

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RTS Cambridge 2019
            Session Two

     Young entrepreneurs and influencers analysed the
     importance of authenticity, social activism and
     new platforms such as TikTok to this generation

     The truth
     about Gen Z
     V
                       ideo-sharing platform         With YouTube handling merchan-
                       TikTok was the word        dise for its creators (those with more
                       on everyone’s lips leav-   than 10,000 subscribers can sell mer-
                       ing the second session,    chandise under their videos) – and
                       “Exploring Gen Z”.         YouTube, Twitch and other social
                       Many had not heard of      media giving fans the ability to donate
     the Chinese-owned social media sen-          to content creators in exchange for a
     sation, but were keen to find out more       shout out – it is no wonder that the
     in order to reach the elusive next gen-      major new talent often prefers online         recommend popular content, which
     eration of viewers. Many market              platforms to traditional TV.                  can then snowball into a viral video.
     researchers describe Generation Z as            So what can TV do to compete for              Lee explained: “Traditional broad-
     those born after 1997.                       the young eyeballs it needs to survive?       casters sometimes put video up on
        Defined by session chair Rob Chap-           Love Island winner Amber Gill told         YouTube [but] they’re not thinking
     man as the generation “for whom 9/11         the audience that traditional media           about things such as Watch Time and
     wasn’t a coming of age event”, Gen Z         have to realise that Gen Z’s attention        wondering, ‘Why are my videos not
     were instead shaped by the recession         needs to be captured quickly.                 doing as well?’”
     of the last decade.                             Fanbytes CEO Timothy Armoo –                  All the panellists called on TV pro-
        In one of the most talked-about           whose company has worked on cam-              ducers to embrace TikTok. Recently,
     events of the convention, the young          paigns to engage youngsters for brands        Armoo’s company helped The Washing-
     panel tried to pinpoint what new audi-       by the BBC and the government – said          ton Post win around 500,000 followers
     ences are looking for and what unites        the new generation have longer atten-         on TikTok by “getting people in the
     them in a fast-moving, connected world.      tion spans than they are given credit         office to create pranks and skits on
        A short video laid out the parameters,    for. “The idea that attention spans have      their fellow employees.… Now… it is one
     namely that the boundaries between           reduced doesn’t make sense in a world         of the most-­followed news organisa-
     different types of content, such as          where people sit down and give all            tions.… Because it took this approach of
     advertising and entertainment, are           their attention to Love Island or a Netflix   not just going directly for the sell… it
     blurring.                                    show. It’s not attention spans that have      really obeyed the rules of the platform.”
        In the film, one of YouTube’s biggest     reduced, it’s interest spans,” he said.          Armoo added: “The other thing
     stars, Vikram Singh Barn – or Vikkstar­-        Paul Bojarski, CEO of interactive          about the Gen Z audience is [that]
     123, as he is better known to the            viewing technology company Sceenic,           everyone basically wants to have their
     10 million subscribers across three          pointed out that Gen Z “love to interact      own TV show. When you post some-
     channels who follow his work and that        with each other”.                             thing on Insta, Chat or TikTok, funda-
     of his collaborators, the Sidemen –             YouTube star Caspar Lee – who has          mentally what you’re posting out is
     said starkly that he really enjoys “the      7.5 million followers and has set up a        what you’d post out if you had a film
     creative and commercial freedom I            talent management agency with fellow          crew following you the whole time.”
     have on YouTube”.                            social media entrepreneur Joe Sugg               Gill said that one of the key things
        He has worked with traditional            – explained: “We have the tools to see        driving younger viewers is the idea that
     media before but often found it              exactly where we’re losing the audi-          “it’s important to look after the world
     “restrictive” creatively and “commer-        ence… and [know about] keeping an             and each other”, adding that they are
     cially… As it stands currently, there’s      audience for as long as possible.”            “very aware of the consequences” of
     little incentive for us to work with TV         He pointed out that YouTube’s              their actions. Chapman said that “grow-
     or traditional media.”                       “watch time” metric is used to                ing up in the recession has changed

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From left: Rob Chapman,
                                                              Amber Gill, Caspar Lee,                    ‘YOU HAVE AN
                                                                Timothy Armoo and
                                                                        Paul Bojarski                    INSANE AMOUNT
                                                                                                         OF CONTENT…
                                                                                                         THAT IS JUST
                                                                                                         BEGGING TO
                                                                                                         BE SEEN’

                                                                                                         traditional broadcasters should
                                                                                                         hire staff who understand the new
                                                                                                         platforms.

                                                                                        Richard Kendal
                                                                                                            The delivery mechanism had to be
                                                                                                         right, stressed Armoo, who addressed
                                                                                                         the audience: “You guys are so lucky,
                                                                                                         as you have an insane amount of con-
                                                                                                         tent… that is just begging to be seen.

ALL THE                                     because of the social media conversa-
                                            tion that’s going on… you want to be
                                                                                                         [Make] sure the delivery mechanism is
                                                                                                         done in a way that feels natural to
PANELLISTS                                  part of it,” said Gill. “You want to be                      whatever platform you’re using.… Just

CALLED ON TV                                up-to-date with what’s happening.”
                                               That prompted Lee to admit: “I
                                                                                                         spend a bit of time on the platform and
                                                                                                         you get to understand [it].”
PRODUCERS                                   didn’t watch Love Island this year, but I                       Gill advised using more behind-the-

TO EMBRACE                                  know exactly who you are and who
                                            you’ve dated.” Armoo added that,
                                                                                                         scenes footage – something echoed by
                                                                                                         one of the People’s Panel contributors
TIKTOK                                      thanks to the social media a successful
                                            show generates, “You could actually
                                                                                                         later, who said such content could be
                                                                                                         made even better by using virtual
                                            create a TV show without creating the                        reality – and incorporating viewers’
their outlook… this generation feels the    actual show.”                                                own storylines, as with Netflix show
need to be part of the solution.”              Tapping into the social media cul-                        Black Mirror: Bandersnatch.
   Taking an interest in what and how       ture that Gen Z is rooted in is impor-                          And Lee concluded with this glim-
young viewers are watching is impor-        tant for anyone wanting to reach them,                       mer of hope for broadcasters: while the
tant, said Bojarski, who revealed that      said Armoo. He explained that Fan-                           money to be made on YouTube is huge
his research techniques include going       bytes carried out a campaign for the                         and talent feel that they have more
on trains and buses at 3:00pm to see        Government to promote the national                           editorial control on the platform, as he
what schoolchildren are doing.              living wage to young ethnic-minority                         saw when his friend Joe Sugg was on
   He said that this gives his company      audiences by using influencers and                           Strictly Come Dancing, “there’s still that
ideas about the kind of technologies        memes. These included one of “a cat                          prestige” associated with television. n
and content to build, including using       stealing a dog’s food and the dog chas-
Sceenic’s Watch Together software,          ing it.… People saw that and identified                      Session 2, ‘A far off place, of which we
which has been used by companies            with that meme as, ‘this is like my                          know nothing – exploring Gen Z’, featured:
such as BT Sport to allow conversa-         employers stealing from me’.”                                Timothy Armoo, CEO, Fanbytes; Paul
tions to happen on screens in the same         Lee said some broadcasters under-                         Bojarski, CEO, Sceenic; Amber Gill, Love
place that programmes are viewed.           stand how to work with the new plat-                         Island winner 2019 and influencer; and
   Authenticity is key to Gen Z, said       forms, citing Good Morning Britain and                       Caspar Lee, vlogger and entrepreneur. It
Lee, adding that they like content that’s   Sky News on YouTube.                                         was chaired by the CEO and partner of
“not too safe… and people who are real         He pointed out that some of these                         Founders Intelligence, Rob Chapman, and
and authentic”, even if “they fuck up”.     services, including YouTube, want to                         produced by Sally Shelford and Victoria
   Love Island is one of the few sched-     work with the BBC and ITV because                            Kennedy. Report by Tara Conlan.
uled TV shows that cuts through to          “they still have that image of being the
younger viewers, but “that’s purely         Wild West”. And he suggested that                            Watch the video at https://bit.ly/35k2Ruz

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           Session Three

         Factual TV is in
         robust health
         despite the
         drama boom

         Running on empty

                                                                                                                                             The Circle, Channel 4
     A
                    re we at peak unscripted     by just three shows, all launched in         the formats that have been launched
                    content? Session chair       2010: Minute To Win It (56 territories),     since then are [growing at] exactly the
                    Tim Davie noted that         The Money Drop (54) and The Voice (58).      same [rate as older formats]; they’re
                    – while there was no           But, pointed out the Channel 4 boss,       building all the time.”
                    short-age of good news       the previous decade had generated               He reeled off some shows that had
                    for the genre (18 of         double that number of blockbuster            not made it onto Mahon’s slide: “Gog-
     the 20 top-performing original pro-         formats, all launched between 2001           glebox is now at 38 territories; Your Face
     grammes on broadcast TV in the US           and 2005: Idol (48), Deal or No Deal (83),   Sounds Familiar is at 39; Anything Goes, a
     that summer had been formatted enter-       The X Factor (46), Strictly Come Dancing     French format, is at 25; Married at First
     tainment) – there were worrying signs       (48), MasterChef (56) and Got Talent (68).   Sight, which is huge in Australia, is now
     for the genre. The UK was still produc-       As for why recent formats seemed to        at 35.” It could take 10 or 15 years “before
     ing hit formats, but margins were           be struggling, her second slide showed       you see the real value in a format, and
     declining and it was no longer the fast-    the relentless rise in US scripted com-      how many territories will embrace it”.
     est growing market for original formats.    missions, to around 500 a year. In less         Lambert conceded only that broad-
        Davie asked each of his panellists       than a decade, this had “doubled the         casters needed to “be very brave”
     – Channel 4 CEO Alex Mahon, Studio          amount of content in the market,             because it could be “a huge gamble
     Lambert CEO Stephen Lambert and             driven by the online services and the        going for these big shows”. But, even
     Tim Hinks, Co-CEO of Expectation            SVoD streamers”.                             then, he noted that many shows
     – to say whether it was game on or            The real question for Mahon was            started off small, and many people had
     game over for unscripted.                   whether the market was simply con-           initially doubted that MasterChef, Come
        Mahon was worried that new               gested thanks to “a massive rise in          Dine with Me or Gogglebox could become
     unscripted formats were failing to gain     scripted” or was there “a reason that        huge successes.
     the international traction that their       [unscripted formats] aren’t being               Expectation’s Hinks was also positive
     predecessors had achieved. She showed       invented that can go to the [previous]       and made the point that non-scripted
     two slides that, she claimed, illustrated   volume of places”?                           was “definitely the slightly embarrass-
     the scale of the problem and hinted at        Lambert – architect of Gogglebox,          ing step kid to the posh world of telly
     the causes.                                 Race Across the World and The Circle –       and the people who run it. It always has
        The first was a list of significant      disagreed vehemently with Mahon’s            been, despite its extraordinary business
     formats that been sold to more than         diagnosis: “It takes many, many years        model and how it shapes the lives of
     45 territories over the past five dec-      to get to [being in 40-plus territories]…    the people who watch it and how it
     ades. The last decade was represented       2010 is not that long ago [and] many of      provides extraordinary drama.”

12
He also emphasised how “the pro-            complicated or more expensive to             of global content that fits, and is rele-
duction values, the quality and sheer         make. She namechecked One Born Every         vant to, each country, at scale”.
scale of some [recent] scripted content       Minute, which “travels well, but is expen-      Love Island, she pointed out, “is across
now… has raised everyone’s game”. He          sive”. On top of this, overseas broadcast-   social media all the time, and there’s a
did not believe that the money going          ers were increasingly “expanding [their]     pacing and an episodic nature to it that
into scripted was a zero-sum game for         established brands… and there are fewer      makes you want to watch it. That’s
unscripted producers, or for viewers.         slots for fresh original content [that we    harder to do when you’re going global.”
Choosing between Game of Thrones and          can sell new formats into]”.                    Netflix has not released its new hip-
a cookery competition “would seem to             Lambert responded that it had always      hop talent show Rhythm and Flow all in
be an unfair fight, but it doesn’t need to    been “difficult to get those slots… the      one go, but in batches of episodes
be if those things are made brilliantly”.     unscripted boom of the 2000s had to          across three weeks. “That will generate
  Mahon responded by quoting ITV              push out a lot of declining sitcoms. The     a lot of data for Netflix,” Lambert sug-
director of television Kevin Lygo, who        sitcom vanished at almost the same           gested. “With unscripted competition
“made the point in the first session          speed as unscripted grew; sitcoms had        shows… part of the joy of watching
that it’s really difficult to launch new      stopped being funny.”                        them is the fact that everybody’s in
things… [it’s preferable] to nurture an          So what should unscripted producers       sync on the conversation. The SVoDs’

                                                                                                                                         Richard Kendal
                                                                                                               From left: Tim Davie,
                                                                                                             Alex Mahon, Tim Hinks
                                                                                                              and Stephen Lambert

existing show and make it bigger.…
When we make a decision to launch             ‘EVERYONE IS                                 strength is also their weakness – by
                                                                                           releasing everything at once, people
something new, such as The Circle,
that’s a massive bet.… The success rates
                                              LAUNCHING LESS                               watch it at different times and it’s
                                                                                           much harder to have that in-sync
for new shows across the UK market            AND THEY’RE                                  dialogue among the viewers.”
last year was [around] 30%.”
   Given that “people are watching
                                              NURTURING                                       Lambert thought UK producers had
                                                                                           nothing to worry about: “Due to the
more and more video and they’re
looking for innovation all the time, you
                                              [SHOWS] MORE’                                way in which our industry has grown
                                                                                           up, buyers here have an extraordinary
have to do two difficult things at the                                                     imperative to buy original ideas off
same time – make things that capture                                                       paper. [This is] the opposite of many
viewers’ imagination, and work out            be trying to push out of today’s sched-      other countries – German [broadcast-
how to market them smarter”.                  ule, queried Davie? Lambert declined         ers] won’t buy a format until they can
   Referring to the earlier Generation Z      to enter that minefield, noting only that    see the data.
session, she added: “Attention spans          established shows had tremendous                “We have the amazing advantage of
are shorter – you’ve got to market on         inertia: “US broadcast TV is absolutely      the English language. The goal in the
social media for something to catch           dominated in the unscripted space by         format world is to create a format here
fire, to become talked about.”                very established brands. Every summer,       and take it to America; if it works in
   Lambert accepted Mahon’s point             the four networks attempt to launch a        the US, it is probably going to go
that broadcasters were under pressure         new one and pretty much every sum-           everywhere. And it’s so much easier to
to “launch less and nurture more” but         mer, 99% of them fail.”                      sell an original format made here to
maintained that it had always been               Davie wondered if streamers could         the US because it’s in English.” n
“difficult to sell a show, and difficult to   break a new unscripted show in the
launch one”. Strictly Come Dancing, he        way that linear broadcasters had tradi-      Session Three: ‘Running on empty’ featured:
reminded the audience, had been               tionally managed to do? Mahon said           Tim Hincks, Co-CEO, Expectation; Stephen
rejected by “everyone many times              she saw no reason why Netflix could          Lambert, CEO, Studio Lambert; and Alex
over” – as had Millionaire and Survivor.      not be successful with a non-scripted        Mahon, CEO, Channel 4. It was chaired by
   Sticking to her thesis that the market     format: “You can crack release patterns      Tim Davie, CEO, BBC Studios and produced
for unscripted shows had shifted since        – that’s just a windowing question… for      by Diana Muir. Report by Gordon Jamieson.
about 2010, Mahon said the shows that         different countries on certain dates.” A
came later had, in general, been more         bigger challenge was “to make a piece        Watch the video at https://bit.ly/35k2Ruz

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            Session Four

     Keynote:
     Sharon White
     The Ofcom CEO weighs                         working across the sector was stuck at
                                                  13%. On social class, those working in
                                                                                              it wanted them to include data relating
                                                                                              to freelancers, who make up around
     up the regulator’s hits                      TV were twice as likely to have             half the overall workforce.
                                                  attended private school as the popula-         “It’s a voluntary engagement,” she
     and misses                                   tion as a whole. Only a minority of TV      pointed out. “Lots of broadcasters have

     I
                                                  staff had working-class backgrounds,        been fantastic. But we’d love to get to
             n her third and final appearance     Ofcom found.                                the position where we’re able to collect
             at an RTS Cambridge Conven-             “Over the past three years, the dial     a much broader [range] of information
             tion, the outgoing CEO of Ofcom,     hasn’t shifted,” admitted White, who        on an obligatory basis.”
             Sharon White, gave a candid          had made the issue her defining mis-           White continued: “If we see diversity
             insight into what she described      sion when she was appointed. Where          as some sort of tick-box exercise in
             as the regulator’s tense relation-   did she put the blame – on the broad-       political correctness, [done only]
     ship with the BBC, and reflected on          casters and production companies, or        because, once a year, the regulator is
     why the TV industry had failed to            was she at fault, asked her interviewer,    going to produce a league table, we
     improve its record on diversity.             ITV’s Julie Etchingham.                     might as well shut up shop.”
        She also provided some advice to             “Moving the dial on diversity is very       How was Ofcom itself doing on
     today’s teenagers hoping to secure a         much a collective effort,” said the Ofcom   diversity? “At all levels of the organisa-
     career in media. “When I look back at        chief, who, in January, takes over as       tion, including senior levels, we’re doing
     what I always regard as a slightly acci-     Chair of John Lewis. “We’re three years     well on gender, less well on ethnicity at
     dental career, so much of it is about        in.… All of this is going to take much      senior levels, but starting to make some
     confidence,” recalled White, a Cam-          more concerted leadership and effort.”      good progress. I [don’t] see ourselves as
     bridge University graduate who went             She was still optimistic that, in two    the saints at the table.… All of us have
     to a girls-only comprehensive in Ley-        or three years’ time, real change would     got things to learn from each other.”
     ton, east London.                            occur. There had been no shortage of           Emphasising the importance of
        “To have confidence and knock on          initiatives to boost diversity, including   “authentic content” that reflected all
     the door, you’ve got to believe that         those for writers and directors, but the    of the UK, the CEO said that, outside
     someone is going to open the door. I’d       data indicated that there remained “a       London, many communities were
     encourage 17-year-olds to knock on the       long way to go”.                            convinced that what they saw on TV
     door because you’ll be surprised at how         White added: “There should be a huge     failed to reflect their lives. “We need
     many people will be willing you to           spur from producers and broadcasters        content that is representative of the
     success and will mentor you through.”        – and yes, of course, the regulator –       audience… it’s a mind-set shift.”
        She was speaking on the day that          to get much broader representation.”           What had been learnt from Ofcom’s
     Ofcom published its third diversity             Ofcom would now seek legislative         diversity work that she’d like to hand
     report of her watch, “Diversity and          powers to allow it to collect informa-      on to her successor? “I think we have
     equal opportunities in television”. Its      tion from broadcasters on a wider           come on in terms of the conversation.
     bleak conclusion was that “there has         range of diversity characteristics. And     Crucially, it’s about concerted leader-
     been no discernible change in the TV                                                     ship that sees this as a core part of the
     industry’s diversity profile”.                                                           business of running a successful
        Women and disabled people                 ‘I AM NOT SURE                              broadcaster or production company.”
     remained under-represented; the pro-
     portion of women in the TV industry
                                                  [THE BBC] HAS                                  Turning to the regulator’s latest PSB
                                                                                              survey, announced in July, she said
     workforce had fallen to 45%, compared        QUITE COME                                  that organisations such as the BBC and
     with 47% across the UK’s working pop-
     ulation. The proportion of women in          TO TERMS                                    ITV were facing unprecedented pres-
                                                                                              sure from global on-demand players.
     senior management roles had not risen        WITH HAVING                                 The Ofcom boss acknowledged that
     significantly, edging up from 41% to 42%.
        At a senior level, minority ethnic        AN EXTERNAL                                 the regulator’s last PSB report in 2015
                                                                                              had underestimated the “fundamental
     representation remained low. Overall,
     the proportion of BAME people
                                                  REGULATOR’                                  shift in viewing habits”, and noted that
                                                                                              “the smartphone generation [is now]

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Richard Kendal
completely bypassing PSB”. PSB con-        iPlayer during the past 12 months is           White said that audiences continued
tent was fantastic, she said, but hard     partly a reflection of this. I think, for   to regard PSB news as highly trusted.
questions needed to be asked about         the BBC, there is a sense that the world    Even younger people use the BBC and
how it was marketed and distributed        has changed dramatically, and that the      ITV news to check the veracity of a
in a world where young people ignore       competition is Netflix and Amazon.”         story breaking on Twitter.
TV channels. In this context, she             The corporation was “regulated for          “But viewers do wonder if the BBC
praised the innovation represented by      the UK market” yet was very conscious       plays too safe,” White noted. “They
BritBox in making PSB content much         that “it is a small player in the global    want to see more in-depth, edgy,
more available online.                     market”. “I feel very strongly that the     ­bigger, bolder [coverage], particularly
  However, she was convinced that the      BBC gets a huge amount of public             in current affairs. Is there too much
survival of the PSBs required effective    money. Parliament sets very important        Westminster bubble talking to West-
rules on prominence. Ofcom’s own           goals for the BBC in terms of airing        minster bubble?”
research showed that 12- to 15-year-       distinctive, quality content… ensuring         Viewers in Scotland, Wales and
olds were far more likely to recognise     that it does a great job, but not at the    Northern Ireland thought that the
platforms such as YouTube and Netflix      expense of other players in the UK          BBC’s national broadcast news lacked
than they were the BBC. She, herself,      market, whether that’s ITV or Chan-         enough coverage of their nations. As
believed there was a role for a levy on    nel 4, is incredibly important.”            for the corporation’s online news,
the online platforms to support core          What impact had regulating the BBC       young people avoided using it. White
public service broadcasters.               had on Ofcom? “Personally, I was            opined that it was a less distinctive
  Since April 2017, Ofcom has been         always very cautious about taking on        offering than BBC TV or radio news.
responsible for regulating the BBC.        the BBC. Actually… I’m more positive           She added: “If you’re from an ethnic-­
White admitted that this had not           about it now than when we started.          minority background, you’re not feel-
always been easy, especially in relation   We’ve got the ability to look across        ing as engaged because the people on
to the regulator’s protracted and          the whole of the broadcasting market.       screen don’t come from the same
fraught review of the corporation’s           “Whether we’re looking at news,          communities as you.” n
ambitions for its iPlayer service.         diversity or online competition, the
  “I think there’s a fundamental tension   BBC is central to that. Others can judge    In Session Four, Ofcom CEO Sharon White
in the relationship between Ofcom, as      us, but I think that having the BBC as      was interviewed by Tonight and News
the first external regulator of the BBC,   part of our broadcasting duties has         at Ten presenter Julie Etchingham. The
and the corporation,” she said. “I am      made us a better regulator.”                producers were Sue Robertson and Martin
not sure it has quite come to terms           Ofcom’s examination of BBC news          Stott. Report by Steve Clarke.
with having an external regulator.         and current affairs is due to be pub-
  “The discussion we’ve had over the       lished later this autumn.                   Watch the video at https://bit.ly/35k2Ruz

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            Session Five

     I
              n her first major speech since
              being appointed Secretary of
              State for Digital, Culture, Media
              and Sport, the Rt Hon Nicky Mor-
                                                         The Secretary of
              gan MP called on broadcasters to           State wants to see
              “be as fleet-footed and as adapt-
     able to change as their international               UK broadcasters
     competitors” such as Apple and Netflix.             co-operating more
         She warned: “Those who do not pool
     their resources and talent will find it
     difficult to succeed in this new age.”
         Nevertheless, Morgan applauded “the
     vibrant mix of broadcasters” in the UK,
     and said her Government was “deter-
     mined to see a strong and successful
     future for our public service broadcast-
     ers and commercial broadcasters alike”.
         “People are watching what they want,
     where they want, when they want. No
     one can deny the benefits of an explo-
     sion of choice and a competitive mar-
     ket. But British broadcasters are central
     pillars of our public life and their bene-
     fits are too great for them to be cast off
     as victims of this revolution.”
         The Secretary of State said that fake
     news – “disinformation, fuelled by
     hermetically sealed online echo cham-
     bers” – threatened the “foundations of
     truth that we all rely on.… We need to
     treasure and encourage the robust
     news and high-quality content and
     programmes that bring us together.”
     She congratulated the public service
     broadcasters for “working together,
     across traditional boundaries, including
     on exciting new platforms – just as they
     did with Freeview 17 years ago”. She
     highlighted the imminent launch of the
     BBC/ITV VoD service BritBox as a “fan-
     tastic example of this”.
         The Secretary of State was also
                                                                              Richard Kendal

     pleased that public service broadcasters
     were “increasingly working together
     with their commercial counterparts”,
     applauding Channel 4 and Sky for
     ­joining forces to show the final of the

                                                  Keynote:
      Cricket World Cup on free-to-air tele­
      vision in the summer.
         “I am sure our PSBs and commercial
      broadcasters can continue to do more
      together in terms of producing content,

                                                  Nicky Morgan
      working with advertisers and innovat-
      ing to reach audiences of all ages,” she
      continued.
         Turning to diversity, Morgan called
      on broadcasters to “represent the
      country they serve, both on and off
      screen”, adding: “I see it as fundamen-
      tal to our success in the future as a

16
nation. Representation is particularly      must be offered to free-to-air broad-      time when it feels as if our society
important for our broadcasters. Not         casters. Acknowledging the large           is getting more polarised and more
just because it is right and just, but      audiences that watched this summer’s       tribal… can bring us together through
because our broadcasters, I believe,        Fifa Women’s World Cup on the BBC,         creating moments of shared enjoy-
are most effective, and most relevant,      Morgan announced that she would            ment and inspiration”. n
when they channel the diversity of          consult on adding women’s sporting
perspectives and backgrounds that           events to the listed events regime.        In Session 5, ‘Secretary of State keynote’,
make the country great.                     “Where a men’s event is listed, the        the Rt Hon Nicky Morgan MP, Secretary of
  “I want to see all broadcasters work-     women’s equivalent would be, too,” she     State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
ing harder to promote diversity of all      said. She was also considering adding      was interviewed by journalist and broad-
kinds, at all levels.”                      the Paralympics to the list.               caster Susanna Reid. The producers were
  Morgan also called on broadcasters          With more than a nod to the divisive     Sue Robertson and Martin Stott. Report by
to take greater responsibility for the      effects of Brexit, the culture secretary   Matthew Bell.
welfare of participants in their shows:     concluded her address to the RTS
“In the digital age, the spotlight can be   convention with the hope that TV “at a     Watch the video at https://bit.ly/35k2Ruz
intense for those who take part in
popular shows. Viewers have easy
access to participants via social media,
and video clips can last for ever, mean-
ing that fame can be an overwhelming
                                              QUESTION                                 give consideration to secondary
                                                                                       legislation to improve the quality
                                                                                       of the evidence?
experience for many people.”
  The Secretary of State recognised
that regulators and the Government
                                              & ANSWER A                                    Nicky Morgan: The short
                                                                                            answer is yes, but legislation
                                                                                       at the moment is [difficult]
must support broadcasters as they
adapt to the new TV landscape. “We             Q     Susanna Reid: Why is there
                                                     not enough diversity in TV?
                                                                                       in the current parliamentary
                                                                                       environment. In my experience,
need to make sure that regulations,
some of which were developed in the
analogue age, are fit for the new ways
                                               A    Nicky Morgan: In politics,
                                                    I’ve found, you’ve got to go
                                               out and find the talent.… It’s not
                                                                                       legislation is part of the answer,
                                                                                       but there is nothing to stop
                                                                                       broadcasters on a voluntary basis
that people create and consume con-            enough to… launch a programme…          dramatically improving the quality
tent,” she said.                               you’ve actually got to go out and       of the data they supply.
  While linear-TV shows were subject           find people. In other sectors, such
to the Ofcom Broadcasting Code, pro-
grammes shown on most VoD services
were not subject to the same standards,
                                               as financial services, there are
                                               issues around unconscious bias in
                                               who you are recruiting… it’s much
                                                                                       Q     Susanna Reid: You made
                                                                                             a very good point [in your
                                                                                       speech] about [fake news]
said Morgan: “This does not provide the        easier to recruit in your own image.    operating in “sealed online
clarity and consistency that consumers                                                 echo chambers, threatening
would expect.
  “So, I am interested in considering
how regulation should change to
                                               Q     Susanna Reid: Ofcom… wants
                                                     more powers to collect data
                                               on diversity – will you be granting
                                                                                       the foundations of truth that
                                                                                       we all rely on”. Of course, that’s
                                                                                       a responsibility for broadcasters,
reflect a changing sector.”                    those?                                  but isn’t it also responsibility for
  Morgan also called on Ofcom, which
has begun its latest pubic service
broadcasting review, “to think big”, to
                                               A    Nicky Morgan: We’re not
                                                    planning to legislate at the
                                               moment… but I hear very much
                                                                                       politicians?
                                                                                         One of the things that we hear so
                                                                                       often on Good Morning Britain is that
ensure that broadcasters were able to          what Sharon [White, Ofcom Chief         during the [Brexit] campaign, there
“meet audiences’ needs, find the best          Executive] said [earlier at the RTS     were lies told on both sides, and
new talent and provide the critical            convention], we’ve discussed it…        those were lies coming from the
mass of investment that is vital to            [but] legislation is challenging at     mouths of politicians?
drive success in UK television”.
  The Secretary of State pledged to
                                               the moment.
                                                                                       A     Nicky Morgan: You’re right.
                                                                                             Of course, politicians – all
“consider the issue of ‘prominence’”
on electronic programme guides for
public service broadcasters. Ofcom is
                                               Q    Simon Albury, Chair of the
                                                    Campaign for Broadcasting
                                               Equality: The [diversity] data,
                                                                                       of us involved – [have] to accept
                                                                                       that the past three and a half years
                                                                                       have left the country more divided
currently updating the rules that gov-         which is supplied by the                than people have seen at any point
ern prominence.                                broadcasters is poor, to inadequate     in living memory.… When this first
  Morgan promised to give “equal               to non-existent… Sharon [White]         phase [of Brexit] is brought to a
recognition to disabled and women’s            talked about extending the              conclusion, I think [we] will have
sports” in the listed events regime, the       [diversity] characteristics, but        to take a very long, hard look at
so-called sporting “crown jewels” that         we need to see an extension of          ourselves, and at what happened
include the Olympics and FA Cup.               the quality [of data].… Will you        and how we conduct campaigns.
Television rights for events on the list

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            Session Six

     Keynote: David Zaslav
                       Discovery’s dominance in factual TV will preserve it from
                           the consolidation feeding frenzy, believes its CEO

     D
                      ocumenting the planet       moved into TV, he said Discovery is          food… We have a ‘view and do’ concept
                      with the BBC, differenti-   doing the reverse. It has hired the brains   that, ultimately, from a multiple per-
                      ating Discovery from        behind Amazon’s e-commerce platform          spective, in terms of creating value,
                      Netflix and the other       Marketplace and around 150 product           could be enormous.”
                      streamers – and taking      development and technology staff, after        Interestingly, “view and do” was
                      Amazon on at its own        lessons were learnt from going direct to     ruled out for Netflix the following day
     retail game – were the three big             consumer during the building of Dplay        by its Chair and CEO, Reed Hastings,
     themes expounded by Discovery’s              and Eurosport Player.                        but it was not the only differential that
     President and CEO, David Zaslav.               Zaslav explained the thinking behind       Zaslav said Discovery had created.
       With Discovery now the second larg-        the move: “Netflix has 150 million peo-        “We’re at a very interesting time and
     est TV company in the US in terms of         ple who pay and do nothing else.             we’ve chosen a path that’s quite differ-
     reach, Zaslav candidly laid out his com-       “If we can aggregate millions of           entiated and we feel good about it… we
     pany’s ambitions. Whereas Amazon             people who are watching but they’re          need all of your help because it’s really
     built its billions in retail and then        also buying a bicycle, a vacation or         going to be about great content. But

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