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Muckross Park College
Information
Session for
Parents / Guardians of
6th Year Students
Bill Core
Guidance Counsellor
Outline of Presentation
n Welcome
n Introductory Points
1. Understanding the NFQ
2. Further Education Sector
3. Higher Education
4. U.C.A.S. Option
5. Grants
6. H.E.A.R. & D.A.R.E.
National Framework Of
Qualifications
The National
Framework of
Qualifications
(NFQ)Education & Training Levels
10 HETAC Doctorate
9 HETAC Masters
8 HETAC Degree (Hons)
7 HETAC Degree (Ord.)
HND
6 FETAC L6 Higher Certificate
5 FETAC / SEC Leaving Cert
4 FETAC / SEC Leaving Cert
3 SEC Junior Cert
2
1Options After School
2nd Level
Further Education Sector
Level 5 & 6 (FETAC)
Higher Education Sector
Level 6, 7 , 8 HETAC/Other
Other e.g.
ApprenticeshipsPost Leaving Certificate
Courses / The F.E. Sector
n Post Leaving Certificate Courses are one and two
year courses that lead to a F.E.T.A.C. Award
n Awards which can offer direct entry into employment
or an alternative route into higher level education
n Allow students to study a programme in which they
have expressed an interest in while also providing
links to higher/further education.
n Programmes have a strong vocational element and all
have a work experience component.Benefits of Post Leaving
Certificate Courses
n Small classes and support services
n Generally Free
n Cheaper option than doing wrong university
course for a year
n Wide diversity of course choices
n Only one or two years long with certification
on completion
n Gain confidence and maturityColleges of Further Education (Levels 5 & 6) n Ballsbridge College of Further Education * n Ballyfermot College of Further Education * n Colaiste Dhulaigh * n Dundrum College of Further Education * n Crumlin College of Further Education * n Dun Laoire College of Further Education * n Grange Community College n Greenhills College of Further Education n Inchicore College of Further Education * n Killester College of Further Education * n Kylemore College of Further Education n Pearse College of Further Education * n Plunket College of Further Education * n Rathmines College of Further Education * n Ringsend College of Further Education n Sallynoggin College of Further Education * n Blackrock Institute of Further Education* n St Tiernan’s Community School n St Kevin’s College n Stillorgan College of Further Education * n Whitehall College of Further Education *
Post Leaving Certificate Course Application n No centralised system n Apply directly to each college n Application Form online n PPS No & School Roll No 60710U n Apply in early January n Interviews in March
The CAO Progression Route Within the CAO System PLC students can gain entry to third level courses if they do very well in their FETAC Qualification
What are the progression routes
available to PLC students?
PLC students can apply through CAO using FETAC
level 5/6 award as an entry requirement or with
Leaving Certificate
OR
Students who hold a FETAC Level 6 or BTEC Higher
National Diploma award, can make an application
to universities and colleges in Ireland and UK, for
Advanced Entry into related courses. That is, entry
into a year other than first year.Two Routes same Destination
PLC College
/ FETAC Employment
Leaving Degrees
Certificate
University /
I. of T.
CAOC.A.O.
n Entry Requirements and the Points
System.
n How to Make an Application.
n How places are allocated by C.A.O.
n What happens after an application is
submitted.It is the applicants
responsibility to:
n Research thoroughly all the courses for
which she is making application:
n Course code, content, requirements, fees,
restrictions, duration, award, options, etc.
n Be au fait with all aspects of the
application system used (CAO) for these
courses:
n Procedures, instructions, dates, fees, etc.Useful Resources
To assist with course research / application
Publications
n College Prospectuses
n CAO Handbook
Newspapers
n The Irish Times
Ø Tuesdays Education Section
Ø January Special CAO College
Supplement Series of daily articles-Brian
Mooney
n The Independent
Ø CAO Articles – Aoife Walsh– Every
WednesdayPeople
n Relatives
n Family Friend
n Past pupils
n Admissions/Academic staff of colleges
(email anytime)
Guidance Counsellor
n Access to information & adviceWebsites n www.qualifax.ie* n www.careersportal.ie* n www.careerdirections.ie n www.accesscollege.ie* (HEAR, DARE) n www.cao.ie (College Applications) n www.hpat-ireland.acer.edu.au (Medicine) n www.studentfinance.ie (Grants) n www.susi.ie * n www.examinations.ie (Exams info) n Colleges websites
CAO – General Info.
n Centralised application system for 44 Irish 3rd level institutions,
including 5 fee-paying colleges.
n Every 6th year should now have a CAO Hand Book
n Application Dates and Fees
Paper Application Fee Closing Date
Normal €40 1 February 2018 (5.15pm)
Late €50 1 May 2018 (5.15pm)
Online Application Fee Closing Date
Early Discounted €30 20 January 2018 (5.15pm)
Normal €45 1 February 2018 (5.15pm)
Late €80 1 May 2018 (5.15pm)
Change of Mind No Fee 1 July 2018 (5.15pm)Universities x 8 (Level 8’s ) n T.C.D. n U.C.D. n D.C.U. n M.U. & Pontifical University n U.C.C. n U.L. n N.U.I.G.
Institutes of Technology x 14 (Levels 6,7 & 8) n Dublin Institute of Technology n Athlone Institute of Technology n Cork Institute of Technology n Dundalk Institute of Technology n Institute of Art, Design and Technology, Dun Laoghaire n Galway-Mayo Institute of Technology n Institute of Technology, Blanchardstown n Institute of Technology, Carlow n Institute of Technology, Sligo n Institute of Technology, Tallaght n Institute of Technology, Tralee n Letterkenny Institute of Technology n Limerick Institute of Technology n Waterford Institute of Technology
Colleges of Education
n The Church of Ireland College of Education
(DCU)
n St. Patrick’s College of Education (DCU)
n Mater Dei Institute ( R.E. & Hist /Eng /Music)
(DCU)
n Froebel College of Education Maynooth
n Coláiste Mhuire, Marino Institute of Education
n Mary Immaculate College Limerick
n St. Angela’s College Sligo (Home Economics)Fee Paying Colleges
n Griffith College Dublin / Cork / Limerick
n American College Dublin
n Dublin Business School
n Grafton College of Management and Science
n Independent College Dublin
n National Counselling & Psychotherapy Institute of
Ireland
n Institute of Business & Technology Swords
n ICD Business School
n On average €5,000 Per Annum
n 20% Tax back (currently)Cost of Higher Education
n No tuition fees but…
n Student Contribution & Levy charge
€3254
n If you have to repeat a year you have
to pay full fees for the repeat year
n Special Top Up Grant for People who
are living exclusively on social welfaren The Undergraduate student contribution, student levy
is not a tuition fee and not tax deductible. Families
with two or more children liable for the Student
Contribution will qualify for tax relief on payments
arising from second and subsequent sibling
liability. All tax relief details are available from the
Revenue website
at http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/it/leaflets/it31.htmlCAO – General Info.
n These are applied for on 2 separate lists on a single
form:
Level 6 & 7 Courses Level 8 Courses
Ordinary Degrees (7)
Honours Degrees (8)
Higher Certificates (6)
Up to 10 Course Choices Up to 10 Course Choices
n The courses are clearly labelled in the CAO Handbook
n N.B. – Care must be taken with courses marked
‘Restricted’.
n These courses cannot normally be applied for after
February 1st due to extra assessments required.ENTRY REQUIREMENTS
These must be satisfied before “points” are
considered.
Minimum Entry Specific Subject
Requirements Requirements
E.g. UCD E.g.s
n Pass 6 subjects Engineering(TCD)
n At least 2 Honours n H4 Maths
n Pass in: Veterinary Medicine(UCD)
bIrish
b English
n H4 Chemistry
b Another Language French (NUIM)
b Mathematics*
n H3 French
If all Entry Requirements are met à applicant is deemed
‘Qualified’ to apply.POINTS SYSTEM
Generally in the CAO system
No. of qualified applicants > No. of course places
--> selection system is needed.
Selection system used in Irish 3rd Level
Colleges is
POINTS SYSTEM
n Points are calculated from ONE sitting of the
Leaving Certificate only.
n Points total is calculated from SIX best subjects
n Entry Requirements can be satisfied over more
than one sitting of the Leaving CertificatePoints System
n Points are set by the pupils of each year
n Minimum points are those of the last person
accepted onto the course
n Supply and Demand - not quality of course
n There is no such thing as ‘wasting points’New Grading Scale from 2017
(The old A1, A2, B1, B2, B3, C1, C2, C3 etc system is now redundant)
n The number of grade bands are now down from 14 to 8
New Grades % Marks
H1 / O1 90-100%
H2 / O2 80Common Points Scale 2017
New Basic Matricualtion Requirements
(= Minimum Entry Requirements)Honours Maths Extra 25 Points
Procedure
n Convert all seven grades into points
n Add 25 to your Honours Maths score if
its H6 or Higher
n Then select your best six scores
n If Honours Maths is not one of the best
six the 25 points don’t count !Making an application
n Application made online
n Always keep proof of applying: Use a printer
n 2 steps: (a) Create Application Account, (b) Log in
and enter details.
n www.cao.ie à Apply & My Application
**VERY IMPORTANT**
Students must fill out both course lists in:
Genuine Order of Preference
n They shouldn’t put down courses on the basis of
predictions of next years cut off points or their own
points scores.So – what is the best way to fill in the courses?
1
2 Dream Courses
3
4
5
6 Realistic Courses
7
8
9 Failsafe Courses
10CAO Level 8 Course Choices 1 TR004 Law 535 2 DN600 Law 525 3 MH502 Law 425 4 DC232 Law & Society BCL 450 5 DT532 Law LLB 425 6 DT321 Business & Law 470 7 DC320 Economics Politics & Law 400 8 MH101 Arts 330 9 DB568 Law 245 10 GC403 Law 240
Places Allocation
Note:
n The position of a course in a student’s preference order does
not in any way affect their chance of getting a place on that
course.
n The exact same procedure takes place for both lists on the
form, hence students may get get 2 offers in August – one from
each list, may accept only one.
n Students should think carefully about not accepting one of these
offers, as they may not receive any further offers.
n Regardless of whether or not they accept a course in round 1,
they will still be offered a higher preference course in
subsequent rounds if they become entitled one.After Making Application
n Students receive CAO number online and use ‘My Application’ to check
over their application details.
n May make changes to courses up to March 1st
n Some students may be called for extra assessments.
n Receive Statement of Application Record – check details carefully. If a
student doesn’t receive their Statements by the end of May contact CAO
immediately – there could be a problem !
n May, Change of Mind facility becomes available – use sparingly and
carefully, especially after exams
n Leaving Cert. Results are sent to CAO.
n Places are allocated and offered by post and online.
n Students accept, reject or defer offered places.
n Further rounds of offers are made until all course places are filled.CAO TIMETABLE
2018 ENTRY
n 20th January, 2018
n Closing date for receipt of early online applications
n 1st February, 2018
n Closing date for receipt of normal applications
n 5th February to 1st March, 2018
n Courses may be changed online including ‘restricted’
n 1st May, 2018
n Closing date for receipt of late applications
n Early May, 2018
n Change of mind forms may be sent. (online - May 1st)
n Before/By 31st May, 2018
n Receive Statement of Application Record
n 1st July, 2018
n Latest date for receipt of change of mind form in CAO.
n Monday 18th August, 2018
n First round of offers will commence.Vacant Places Facility
n Where there are Available Places/Vacant
Places in specific courses, H.E.I.’s (Higher
Education Institutions) will advertise these on
the CAO website.
n Before making an “Available Place/Vacant
Place” application, those matching the
description “Restricted Categories of
Applicant” on Page 3 of the CAO handbook
should first consult with the Admissions Office
of the HEI concerned.In Summary n Research courses thoroughly n Apply by January 20th ( Xmas Preferably) n Put courses in order of preference n Be careful with change of mind
Entry to Medicine 2018 n Aptitude Test called HPAT-Ireland n HPAT worth 300 Points n 5 Colleges n Cost €95 n Register by 20th January @ 17:15 hrs n Test date 24th February n Results late June n Information on www.cao.ie n www.hpat-ireland.acer.edu.au
UCAS
Universities & Colleges
Admissions Service
www.ucas.comWhy apply to UCAS - courses
Generally speaking the following are the course areas
which Irish students tend to apply to through UCAS:
n Dentistry – Glasgow, Manchester, Leeds, Sheffield
n Veterinary – Liverpool, Bristol, Glasgow, Edinburgh
n Physiotherapy – Newcastle, Manchester, Robert Gordon, Cardiff
n Speech Therapy – Strathclyde, Newcastle, Edinburgh, Cardiff
n Pharmacy – Robert Gordon-Aberdeen, Strathclyde, Cardiff, Keele
n Architecture – Cardiff, Edinburgh, Liverpool, Robert Gordon
n Primary Teaching – Newman, Strawberry Hill, Liverpool JM, Edge
Hill, AberdeenMaking an Application
Fees for 2017
n England, Northern Ireland and Wales
n Fees of up to £9000
n Scotland
n No fees
n The above does not include accommodation,
living or travel expenses. If living in college
residences expect to pay in the region of
£3000 to £4000 per year, self-catering.Differences between
UCAS/CAO
n UCAS 5 choices – 4 if medicine
n CAO 10 Level 8, 10 Level 6/7 in
order of preference
n UCAS Up to 5 conditional offers
n CAO Offers once results known
n UCAS No change of mind facilityImportant Dates
n 15th October for Oxford/Cambridge or
medicine, veterinary, dentistry
n From 1st September
n Deadline 15th JanuaryGrants Available for Further
and Higher Education
n Eligibility EU Nationality or Other
n Means Tested: Parental Income &
Number of Dependents
n You can apply online
n For information see: www.susi.ie (one
stop shop !)
See Grant Calculator
n http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/education/third_level_education/fees_and_supports_for_third_level_ed
ucation/Nationality and Immigration
Status
n Be a national of an EU member state or an EEA member state or Switzerland
n Or Other…
n Be a family member of one of the above, with permission to remain in the State as a
family member of such person under the European Communities (Free Movement of
Persons) Regulations 2006 and 2008 and EU Treaty rights provisions
n or
n Have refugee status
n or
n Have been granted humanitarian leave to remain in the State (foreign nationals granted
leave to remain under the Irish Born Child scheme - IBC/05 are not eligible)
n or
n Be eligible for subsidiary protection or have been granted leave to remain under
the European Communities (Eligibility for Protection) Regulations 2006 (pdf) or
n Have permission to remain following a determination not to make a deportation
order
n or
n Have permission to remain in the State by virtue of marriage to, or civil partnership
with, an Irish national living here or be the dependent child of a person with such
permissionIncome limits for maintenance grant and full fee grant The family income limits for eligibility for a maintenance grant in 2017/2018 are set out below. These limits also qualify you in respect of the fee grant (if you are otherwise eligible). Number of Full Part Part Part Dependent Maintenance Maintenance Maintenance Maintenance Children 75% 50% 25% Fewer €39,875 €40,970 €43,380 €45,790 than 4 4 -7 €43,810 €45,025 €47,670 €50,325 Eight or €47,575 €48,890 51,760 €54,630 more
Income limits for partial fee grant
The family income limits for eligibility for a partial fee grant in
2017/2018 are set out below.
Number of 50% tuition 50% student
dependent fees and 100% contribution
children student only
contribution
Fewer than 4 €49,840 €54,240
4 to 7 €54,765 €59,595
8 or more €59,455 €64,700Typical Documentation
Required
n Original Birth Certificate
n If PAYE Income:
n P21 - i.e. PAYE Balancing Statement
n P60 for each employment
n P45 If employment ceased Notice of Assessment, Accounts,
Social Welfare Statements, Interest Certificates
n If Self-Employed - Notice of Assessment, Accounts
n If receiving Social Welfare - Social Welfare Statement
n Interest on Deposit Interest CertificatesThe Higher Education Access Route
Official Definition
n Higher Education Access Route is an
admissions route for school leavers from socio-
economically disadvantaged backgrounds.
n It was established to increase the number of
students who traditionally do not go to third level.
n The research shows that socio-economic
disadvantage has a negative impact on
educational attainment.Higher Education Access Route – HEAR n Nationally Agreed Criteria for all students n Online application via CAO website n 1st February – closing date n 1st April – supplementary information to CAO n www.accesscollege.ie
What colleges participate?
•Dublin City University
•Dublin Institute of Technology
•University College Cork
•University College Dublin
•University of Limerick
•NUI Galway
•Froebel College of Education
•NUI Maynooth •Coláiste Mhuire, Marino Institute of
•Trinity College Dublin Education
•Mary Immaculate College
•St. Angela’s College, SligoWho should apply?
Your family income must meet the HEAR 2018 Income Threshold
determined by:
èHow many children are in your family;
èHow many people in your family are in full time education;
èYour family’s total income.
No. of Dependent Children HEAR 2015 Income Threshold
Less than 4 €45,790
4-7 €50,325
8 or more €54,630
Additional €4, 670 allowed for family members in full time higher or
further educationWhy apply?
n Reduced points CAO offers in the
participating HEIs provided you
matriculate and meet minimum
entry requirements
n Post-entry supports such as
academic, social, personal and
financial (where available)How are application processed?
Financial Indicators:
è Indicator 1: The family income falls within the HEAR 2017 Income Threshold
è Indicator 2: The family has a Medical Card/GP Visit Card
è Indicator 3: The family receives a means tested social assistance payment
Social & Cultural Indicators:
è Indicator 4: You come from a socio-economic group under-represented in H.E.
è Indicator 5: You have attended a DEIS school for 5 or more years
è Indicator 6: The family lives in an area of urban or rural disadvantageAll students must meet the HEAR 2015 Income
Threshold (Indicator 1) + 2 other indicators
INDICATOR 1 plus 2 plus 4 or 5 or 6
INDICATOR 1 plus 3 plus 4 or 5 or 6
INDICATOR 1 plus 4 plus 5 or 6Disability Access Route to Education (DARE) n Not giving an advantage rather eliminating disadvantage n 20 colleges n Points reduction and quota n Access to a variety of supports n Application made as part of CAO n Disclose you have a disability n Directed to S.I.F. ( Supplementary Information Form)
D.A.R.E. Cont’d
n Indicate you wish to apply for DARE
n Post Proof (Section B & C) by April 1st to CAO
n Decision in June - Appeal facility available
n Documentation not completed by correct consultant is main
reason for ineligibility and also failure to adhere to deadlines
n See: www.accesscollege.ie
n Advice Clinics 20th JanuaryWho Should Apply?
n Applicants whose disability had a significant impact on
educational performance in school
n Applicants who may not be able to meet the points for
their preferred course due to the impact of disability.Disabilities eligible for
consideration
n Autistic Spectrum Disorders (including Asperger’s Syndrome)
n ADD/ADHD
n Blind/Vision Impaired
n Deaf/Hard of Hearing
n DCD – Dyspraxia/Dysgraphia
n Mental Health Conditions
n Neurological Conditions (Brain Injury, Epilepsy, Speech &
Language Disabilities)
n Significant Ongoing Illness
n Physical Disability
n Specific Learning Difficulty (Dyslexia & Dyscalculia)Lastly
n Not everyone gets it right first time
n 5,000 Students reapply to CAO annually
n Its ok to leave (before January 30th useful) re fees
the following year……Thank You for your attention
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