CCC Spring 2020 Council Meeting - March 24th, 2020 - CCC Blog

CCC Spring 2020 Council Meeting
March 24th, 2020

Task Force Updates
 ● FADE
 ○ David - will do a reprise of the Econ and Fairness presentation I did last November at the
 Council meeting
 ■ why fairness related to algorithms is important. technical research agenda around
 making algorithms that are effective for everyone in society
 ■ leave at least 30 min for Q&A
 ○ Chad (on fairness through fairness workshop) - Suresh and I have a plan and a scope but
 little bandwidth to make things happen. Now with Covid-19 we’re in limbo
 ○ Nadya - misinformation session took place at AAAS in February. How to detect and
 combat misinformation. Lots of interest from a CS perspective
 ○ Suresh - I was supposed to be at AAAS panel on Fairness, but wasn’t able to go.
 ■ Ann - there was a packed room and lots of interest. Chief Medical Officer for
 American Medical Association sat in during the meeting and said my community
 is starting to worry about this stuff and I think we need to talk to you
 ● Cybersecurity
 ○ Dan - Elisa wrote a white paper on security and privacy for 5G. Teeing things up for a
 possible CCC workshop in the fall
 ○ Dan - Code 8.7 workshop on AI to combat human trafficking a few weeks ago in DC.
 Working on the final workshop report now with the organizing committee
 ○ 4 Deep dives:
 ■ Develop an ethics-infused AI that can track process and make sense of diverse
 and heterogeneous data from multiple sources AND Using AI to direct survey
 sampling, while undoing bias, at massively more scale and less cost than possible
 today, and to support tasks like prevalence estimates (Survey & Fusion)
 ■ Development of ethical standards for Data governance in HT research:
 mechanisms to facilitate data sharing, understanding, and fusion AND AI
 pipeline management and governance (inc. responsible use of outputs) (Standards
 & Pipeline)
 ■ A two-way augmented AI that can learn from the lived experiences of survivors,
 and that uses this data to improve matching algorithms for providing economic,
 job, social and other recommendations to survivors and refugees AND AI to
 identify vulnerabilities & tipping points for people being exploited AND Visual,
 language, text and emotional sentiment analysis for more application informed
 techniques (Support & Tipping Points & Perception )

■ Advanced geo-spatial and temporal analytics to track network effects and
 assumptions across space and time in the trafficking domain (Networks)
● Health and Computing
 ○ Shwetak - we’ve been thinking about personal health records as an area the CCC can do
 something. Fitbit/wearable activity data, smart home data, etc. How can this data be
 joined with electronic health records?
 ○ Shwetak - I’m part of the CDC response team on computing. Looking at how we could
 use shared data for contact tracing and public health
 ■ Ben - can you get the CDC to put the right statistics on their website?
 ○ Ben - there does have to be some kind of emergency response about getting data for these
 circumstances but not using it later for bad purposes
 ○ Suresh - I was at a medical conference in NYC where they were talking about data from
 wearables. How would medical treatment change if we start focusing on the data we get
 from wearables. What kinds of population wear wearable for example. How does this
 relate to fairness and access?
 ○ Ronitt - in Israel they are doing cell phone tracking of anyone tested positive with
 Covid-19 and alerting people who have been in the area with they in the last two weeks
 ○ Maria - AI and health conference is supposed to happen soon but is on hold, not sure if it
 will happen. Try to do modeling of coronavirus spread. People in the community say the
 models are wrong because there is not enough data
 ○ David - been having conversations through data science team at MIT with a health group
 on building the right models
 ○ Shwetak - CDC is not set up to do this right now. It’s been a challenge
 ○ Shwetak - the temporary data store is exactly how they are doing it right now
● Systems and Architecture
 ○ Jen - we had a workshop on Wide-Area Data Analytics. Getting feedback from the
 workshop participants soon
 ○ Tom - Reversible Computing workshop proposal has gone through a few revisions. We
 were getting close to scheduling regular calls before the Covid situation. Reversible
 computing is used in quantum computing for entanglement. Can also be used to build
 logic gates. One of the foremost experts in the country is Mike Frank at Sandia who is
 one of the organizers with me and Erik Debendedictis. Want to do a call for white papers
 like with Thermodynamic Computing
 ○ Mark - we submitted an article to CACM on Thermodynamic Computing. We had teed
 up a presentation on TDC for NSF but the Covid situation has disrupted that scheduling
 ○ Jen - thinking about working and teaching from home. Video, telepresence robots, etc.
 Lots of emphasis on 5G at DARPA right now - something a lot of academics don’t know
 much about
 ○ Jen - Sujata and I are both on the scientific committee for ?
 ○ Mark - hardware support for security. In discussions but disrupted
 ○ Ben - vertical integration of the stack is something to have on the radar
 ■ Jen - domain specific stacks

○ Mark - I was supposed to talk to Blair McIntyre, but he is in charge a of giant conference,
 which is now virtual, so I’m made a reminder to reach out once that is over
 ○ Ann - the CCC ran a multidisciplinary workshop on remote education. One of the
 workshop organizers is working on a reflective/where are we now blog post about that
 content and we’re thinking about a virtual meeting to write an addendum to the report
 ○ Sujata - heard that someone is organizing a 3000 person virtual meeting out of
 Cambridge. Might be worth talking to him (who is this?)
 ● FRE
 ○ Ben - we haven’t made much progress. Decided the best strategy is to finish up the report
 we had started and deliver that in the next month or two. The feedback I’ve gotten is
 more positive than I thought it would be
 ● Industry
 ○ Ben - at this point we are waiting for CRA industry group to take some action. We had a
 meeting with them scheduled for last week but it got moved to tomorrow. Want to have
 that report done by Snowbird. Vivek is considering a wing of CRA focused on industry
 ○ Shwetak - one of the things we are going to do with Snowbird is highlight the industry
 report. The report is something deans and provosts are using, but nothing has changed
 much in the last couple months
 ○ Ben - there was a session at Snowbird specifically about this
 ○ Jen - the session at snowbird is being run by Divesh ? from AT&T Labs
 ● AI
 ○ Ann - there is a bill coming out around AI research. Peter will probably discuss more
 ○ Liz - there is a viewpoint article in review at CACM that is basically the executive
 summary of the roadmap
Fred Kronz
 ● Ann - Fred has been at NSF for a while. We first crossed paths at a local university event on
 human machine partnering. I asked Fred to talk about ethics and the role we may have going
 forward
 ● Fred - America Competes Act was done in August 2009. Requires ethical training for CS and
 engineers. Had to make sure we had an appropriate plan and a way to provide oversight. Mostly
 about things like plagiarism and treating grad students properly etc. not really about things like
 dual/misuse or incorporating ethics into research
 ● The is a link to the online ethics center with important programs and partners
 ● Info about treating students and colleagues with respect
 ● Two specific programs:
 ○ ER2 (ethical and responsible research) - having your students take a course in ethics
 doesn’t change their behavior very much. Need to change cultural and institutional
 context
 ○ STS (science and technology studies) - supports research about historical use of ethics
 and tech
 ● Dear Colleague Letter on FEAT (Fairness, ethics, accountability, and transparency)
 ● Could include any type of partner in size of project ex. Sociologist, philosopher etc.
 ○ Incorporate it into project in creative way and submit it to size of program for funding

● Secure and Trustworthy Cyberspace
 ○ SaTC is interested in research that protects cybersecurity
 ○ If topic has to do with trust, it could be supported by SaTC
● NSF Program onFairness
 ○ Joint venture between size and SaTC
 ○ Been negotiating with them and they are coming around to see our side of things. If
 program passes would go on for awhile
● DCL: Early-concept Grants for Exploration
 ○ Group intent on addressing broader societal issues and ethical issues with AI
 ○ Very broadly inclusive program. Started off with a call for 1 page but got 200. 50 were
 invited for full proposal and granted 15 of them
● OECD Principles for Responsible Stewardship of Trustworthy AI
 ○ I haven’t seen anything like this in other topic areas. People are worried about bad
 impacts
 ○ Chad - a lot of minorities feel discouraged from NSF funding. How are you thinking
 about equal opportunity?
 ○ Fred - we are incorporating inclusivity
 ○ Chad - Inclusivity does not mean equal opportunity
 ○ Fred - partnerships with HBCUs and trying to make it easier for them
 ■ Limited bandwidth. Doesn't have time for all the proposals
 ■ Mindful of concern but hoping partnership will take care of this and continuing to
 find ways to broaden funding for SVP initiative
 ○ Chad is going to follow up and Fred is open for suggestions
 ○ Ronitt- Wants to support Chad. Smaller orgs like (NSVP?) are thrown to the wayside
 with proposals. It’s a general problem that needs to be addressed in a big way.
 ○ Kratios is giving is support to OECD AI recommendations
● Rome Call for AI Ethics
 ○ Brad Smith (Microsoft) and John Kelly (IBM) - leaders in industry are taking it seriously
 ○ Suresh - Have you thought about proposals whose home is in SBE for the FEAT call that
 would mirror other submissions
 ○ Fred - SBE is the poor cousin and can’t bring that much money to the table but he thinks
 the directors understand that.
 ■ Raise mechanism - combine two partners to fund project (cap 1 million)
 ○ Ronitt - what is a project getting funding you are most excited about
 ○ Fred - Alexa type interface for the elderly
 ■ Track movements in house, reminders for medication
 ■ Eventually voice activated assist program could track cognitive decline and
 contact doctor
 ■ How to build trust in seniors with using this technology
 ■ Another project
 ● Project looked at tweets during Hurricane Sandy. All tweets came from
 wealthier areas. How are emergency services giving proper response to
 all socioeconomic areas

○ Liz - Do you have thoughts on retracting EAGER or RAPIDs on AI for ethics?
 ■ How can CCC help you get your message out, in the interest of catalyzing
 research?
 ○ Fred - We have a Dear Colleague letter out for RAPIDS regarding COVO-19. If you see
 situation with fleeting data, you can submit a RAPID proposal and contact an officer with
 a one-pager
 ■ Explain why it meets requirements for RAPIDS in proposal
 ■ NSF released a policy statement that will allow us to reimburse those who
 purchase non-refundable airfare for now cancelled/remote meetings
 ■ COVO-19 NSF website look for useful information
 ○ Liz - How can you use us/ how can we be a resource
 ○ Fred - I will bring this to the attention of SBE leadership to find useful tools
 ○ Mark - I want to echo Liz. CCC is about bringing communities together for long term
 research. We want a stronger relationship with SBE
 ○ Fred - Maybe have a Zoom meeting with SBE leadership. I will talk to them and see if
 they are interested in connecting
 ○ Chad - I want to third everybody and try to find a way to help with the larger picture. One
 thing I see at the macro level. Those that care about diversity have a harder time making
 an impact.
 ○ Shwetak - Confusion on what kind of program can I propose? What is a reasonable
 proposal, especially topics that are SBU? Also ready to help
 ○ Fred - send your advice via email.

Peter Harsha’s Washington Update:
 ● NSF
 ○ 2.5% increased in FY20
 ○ These funding levels were actually lower than what the House and Senate had approved
 ● FY 20
 ○ Science budgets did ok
 ○ Congress completely rejected the double digit cuts from Trump
 ○ FY21 is likely to be a leaner year for increases
 ● FY 21
 ○ COV-19 stimulus budget will change things (from the President Budget Request for FY
 21)
 ● President Budget Priorities
 ○ Industries of the future push
 ■ 5G
 ■ Synthetic Biology
 ■ AI
 ■ Quantum

○ Goal- double federal investing by FY 22 (starting with a 70% increase in AI at NSF)
 ○ CISE goes up 7.8%, but everything else at NSF gets cut
 ● CRA Statement
 ○ Yes, AI and Quantum are important but so is interdisciplinary work and other directorates
 should continue to be supported
 ● Legislative Updates
 ○ Draft AI R&D
 ■ 4.7 Billion (bipartisan)
 ● Ben- I don’t like that we are taking this out of the research proposals. The degree to which we
 dont account can be very problematic. If you don't actually look carefully, it can be a very
 negative thing. The privacy dimensions is also important too. This is also a serious concern when
 building AI models. Also need to consider “harms assessment.” Sensitivity from the uses. Or
 discriminatory practices. AI is empowering people, but someone needs to control it and decide if
 it needs to happen or not.
 ○ Peter- I totally agree. The House Science hearings have been focusing on those
 dimensions. We kinda wanted something that would have more of an impact. Individual
 PIs are good, but are those PIs ready to think that way yet? We have an educational
 responsibility to this.
 ● Nadya- Do you think this will force them to spend more?
 ○ Ben- Yes, but when things get better.
 ● Chad- There is a cautionary tale with this. There has to be someway to go from Fairness and
 Ethics and broader impacts to ++.
 ○ Peter- Yes, and thank you to the other members of the task force to get their feedback to
 me.
 ● Suresh- How is this going to play out? NeurIPS has put in an ethics statement on paper
 submission. There is a lot of pushback. I am a little worried about this and how it is going to play
 out. Secondly, the focus on ethics is about articulating the responsibility of the work that you are
 doing. Which is different from mandating the difference.
 ○ Peter- I can send around a section by section analysis of the work that is going on.

Susan Gregurick, NIH
 ● Different communities have different sets of data, from cells, brain images, behavioral studies etc.
 ● Democratization of work flows enables more people to participate in data science
 ● Rise of ML/DL/AI increases the need for well annotated data sets
 ● Need to consider data consent and reuse
 ● There are parallel computing drives like heterogeneous computing, which allows a convergence
 of physics based and data analytic based simulations
 ● integration of algorithms and computing wit microelectronics on the edge/fog
 ● over the next few years we will see the rise of quantum computing/information sciences
 ● Researchers studying COPD know that they would have a richer data set if they could combine
 genetic and dietary data, but they are in completely different repositories

● Large cohort studies of AIDS around the world. They each have ways of collecting data but they
 are not compatible across the 500 clinics around the world
● We want data that is fair, accessible, etc. A lot of questions around this that we will need to
 address? Where will the data go? How will it be stored? etc
● When I was in grad school I used to photocopy data sets I wanted. When they put the abstracts on
 a CD it was much easier to search. If you were able to make a repository of journal metadata it
 would so that a search for similar metadata was possible
● Imagine the ability to link EHCR with personal and clinical research data
● Chart shows an increase in data availability in NIH supported publication in PMC (data
 availability statements (DAS) or data in supplementary materials (SM))
● NIH released a draft of the data management and sharing policy earlier this year. All NIH funded
 researchers will submit a data sharing plan. Will be submitted with their “just in time” (right
 before you receive your funding)
 ○ We will finalize the plan by late summer/fall. NIH is a bit crazy with the Covid situation
 so it might be late.
● NIH strongly encourages through their community developed open access Data Sharing
 Repositories. Other options: PubMed Central (up to 2 Gb), use of commercial of nonprofit
 repositories, or STRIDES cloud partners
● The primary funding mechanism was R01, which is not appropriate for supporting data
 repositories funding. Plans should show scientific impact, community engagement, quality of data
 and service, and governance
● Coopetition - collaborate where it makes sense will maintaining competition on specific features
● Held a workshop on data metrics a few weeks ago with over 300 people. Summary report will be
 forthcoming
● STRIDES Initiative provides training and education for researchers about the cloud. Two partners
 currently AWS and Google Cloud
 ○ over 400 people trained, 13 NIH ICs participating
● Supplements to enhance software tools for open science. This will help enhance software
 engineering of valuable tools. Deadline is May 15th
● challenges of managing 12 PB of data in Google and AWS. Developing some infrastructure to
 manage that. I’d be happy to come back and discuss once that is developed
● NIH researcher authorization service. Creating ways to standardize audits and logs
● NIH Data and TEchnology Advancement (DATA) National Service Scholar Program. 1-2 year
 sabbatical to come to NIH. Can support 8 fellows, hopefully will be able to bring them on by
 summer/fall. Application due end of April
 ○ Ann - we can write a blog post about the service scholar program
● Sujata - what kind of supplemental material are people providing?
 ○ Susan - not universal. I see people putting in excel spreadsheets, pdfs that explain the
 data. It’s not findable, it’s not indexed, it’s not searchable, so buyer beware. Lowest bar
 for data sharing.
● Suresh - how are we using ML to do inference? My colleagues have mentioned NIH solicitations
 that mention data ethics, sharing, mining etc. Could you share NIH perspective of those issues?

○ Susan - ACDI working group report about ethics and transparency of machine learning.
 Ethics and bias in terms of data sets being complete and represent the full population. The
 UK biobank is useful but skewed to a certain population in Europe. You can train on a
 data set in one hospital or setting and it’s not transferable to another situation or setting.
 We have a set of data model cards that tries to get at that. I would love to engage this
 community in how we do that
 ● David - Any discussion in your world about sharing models/simulation?
 ○ Susan - we have had some discussions about this. Just funded a center to create models
 that are shareable and reproducible. I think it’s led by someone at UW. Engaged to
 understand the process and outcomes. I think you will see more of this in cancer research
 ● Chad - there are issues of fairness and balance, but a certain NN might work 98% of the time but
 you can’t characterize the 2% of errors. If you retrain it then you have to recertify the models.
 Can you speak to this issue? How can you trust these models?
 ○ Susan - we’ve had a lot of discussion about this and with the FDA. It is critically
 important especially as we go through the FDA process for an AI algorithms that will be
 deployed
 ● Ben - HIPAA requirements, have you explored the potential for doing computations that are
 private but they can compute together?
 ○ Susan - because of the Covid situation I’ve been having a lot of conversations with health
 care providers around private computation. We do have a nascent partnership with Oak
 Ridge National Lab around this. Talked to Intel and Microsoft about these areas
 ● Juliana - we have seen data repositories but they are siloed. Have you done any efforts to search
 across repositories?
 ○ Susan - that came up at our workshop. Idea of using knowledge graphs to search across
 repositories. It might be possible and something we are thinking about. Looking forward
 to the report to see what the community thinks about this possibility.

Margaret Martonosi, CISE Overview
 ● NSF Coronavirus Page
 ○ Two DCLs out encouraging Rapids reponse proposals some addressing COVID-19 and
 calling AAC to support covid related studies
 ● Computing Research in Post-Moore World
 ○ Art scaling are not long durable
 ○ Think about the degree to which this should be affecting us as a community and how we
 are changing our curriculum to address changes
 ● Our field today
 ○ Computer science and research is having a large impact on the big picture such as
 economy, democracy, humanity and science
 ■ Have a greater responsibility
 ● CISE Budget 2020
 ○ A year ago budget request went to congress, dec 20th fully finalized appropriations bill
 passed and NSF sent back plan in early Feb

○ Congress has 45 days to approve plan
 ○ Cannot share the size of the plan yet. 25 more days until approval due date
 ○ 2021 budget is underway
● CISE Programs Align with Admin
 ○ Congress appreciation for CISE programs has increased
 ■ Examples on slides
● (AI)
 ○ National AI Research Institutes
 ■ Roots in NSF and CCC workshops
 ■ Proposals have already come in and set up inter-agency partnerships
 ● Anticipated 200 million
 ■ Seeking out industry partnerships as well while keeping a focus on the academic
 sector
 ■ Looking to identify more resources
● Advanced Wireless
 ○ A lot of people think of low spectrum issues but think of brining systems based on
 advanced wireless into fruition
● Expeditions in Computing
 ○ 3 new awards have gone out since this morning
● Revised Expeditions Program
 ○ Innovation transitions
 ■ Matching funding from industry partners
● SAGE
 ○ There is a lot about space and telescopes going on, but important to invest time into our
 work and infrastructure (more investment in software and data)
● Research Highlights
 ○ I encourage you to actually send me research highlights that you know about/work on
 ○ CAREER
 ■ Combines molecular engineering and software engineering
 ■ An exciting new example of fields that can be incorporated into their work
 ○ Stay Tuned
 ■ Think about what it means to move infrastructure later and how software can be
 apart of infrastructure
 ■ Maintaining merit processes and give extensions to proposals
● Join Us!
 ○ Send emails
 ○ Panel reviews are now remote so no travel requirement
 ○ Consider being an NSF rotator
● Chad - more about how AI is being defined in practice in terms of what is considered in/out,
 prioritized etc. Everyone said they were robotics but the definition has been skewed due to the
 amount of funding
● Maragret - in terms of solicitations there is a fair amount of clarity. In addition there are a lot of
 proposals in CORE program, spanning outside of CISE. If you look at the national AI plan and

update it is clear in defining not just AI up high but important now for broader system
 development to be brought to bear.
 ○ AI isn't going anywhere without a broader amount of researchers involved
 ○ We will keep our eye on the issue
● Melanie - we need more input from other disciplines. Is there any effort to put together
 interdisciplinary programs along those lines?
● Margaret
 ○ Our working group is very broad and CISE and SBE have had joint meetings on going
 forward
 ○ Working on harnessing data revolution
● Maria - need to train more undergrads in AI. Will there be a fellowship or more funding?
● Maragret - I would love to see NSF graduate fellowship each year stapled to the diplomas of the
 top N graduates in different topics for 4 or 5 years
 ○ For financial reasons they can't go right into masters programs and we want people to
 think of coming back. I want people to know they have funding available
 ○ Not sure what # N should be
 ○ Maria - I would like to see funding for masters students as well. Lots of students don’t
 want to get a PhD but do want continued education and might go on to get a PhD
● Tom - we ran a panel at AAAS on next gen hardware, one of the things that came up in the
 discussion was that we need cross disciplinary research and encouraging generalists. We would
 need something like what is going on in AI. Is there any interest in this?
● Maragret - we have to react as discipline and not sub discipline. Shouldn't we come up with
 programming that better supports security and fairness? Dealing with difference between how we
 program and students program is something that needs to be addressed
● Melanie - I was scared to see that AI and robotics was so dominant in the budget
 ○ Isn't how science works, can't just focus on a couple domains
 ○ Is there a way you can influence how the funding is dealt out
● Maragret - In the end it is up to congress. I think it is important for us to shape long term
 disciplines and help people see what we’re funding today plants seeds for success years from
 now. I don’t think people see the large timeline we are involved in. I want you all to help me tell
 those stories. Tell me the stories of your work and grants that started 15 years ago
● Nadya - I am the incoming vice chair of ISAT. You mentioned collaborating with DARPA.
 Where would you like to see more collaborations between CISE and IPO? And can I help with
 that?
● Margaret - We have had a couple of workshops with ISAT
● Ben - what are your thoughts on NSF collaborations with industry
● Margaret - I think there are a lot of opportunities that are good, such as the amount of money they
 provide. CISE has been good about testing partnerships such as these and have worked on
 establishing expectations between partners. We offer a merit review process we all trust. Careful
 to protect NSF solicitations and processes that people trust. Avoid anything that will pull us into
 company sway or be viewed as weakening the merit process. Idea is to do this at scale and in a
 systematic way.
● Mark - what about people working in industry?

● Maragaret - broader access to PIs they wouldn't have seen on their own, greater funding and
 access to broader workforce. Companies have access to students and ability to recruit. Where can
 we with industry partnerships give people greater access to funding and resources
 ● Ian - with growing interest in AI, what are your thoughts on how CISE should be responding to
 infrastructure and resources being taken up
 ● Margaret - Cloudbank is an example of funding cloud infrastructure. Can also see it in FABRIC,
 PAWR, and SAGE
 ● Katie - defining AI. How can the CCC ensure follow up on AI funding? When Obama admin was
 supporting a lot of health grants people became “health researchers” but once the funding left, all
 those people went back to their respective subcommunities CCC is in position
 ● Maragret - too much focus on AI and wanting to spread resources across and if AI is not focused
 in definition resources will be smeared across. There needs to be a balance. I get resources from
 the broader community. . If the CCC can offer definitions or best practices for how to watch those
 best practices that would be great
 ● Sujata - VMware research has collaborated with NSF. We didn't mess with the NSF merit
 process. The point I'm trying to make is that industry can benefit from real-world problems being
 looked at and we can do it without affecting the merit process.
 ● Margaret - I spoke to Chris Ramming last month (is he a CRA board member?). Taking
 something from VMware and making it available for the broader community

New Initiatives / Strategic Planning for Impact
 ● Liz- From the RSV
 ○ Strategic Planning of Portfolio
 ■ Balance of Activity Type
 ● Focusing on the broad ecosystem research
 ● Areas of Coverage
 ■ Follow-Through on activities
 ■ Communication Best Practices and Plan
 ■ Indicators of Impact
 ○ What should we as the CCC be thinking about now?
 ■ Areas of Computing Research that touches COVID-19 or the next pandemic
 ● Khari- AAAS Tweeted @CCC today
 ○ https://twitter.com/svanglofille/status/1242503792052113412
 ○ The Dream Machine
 (​https://www.amazon.com/Dream-Machine-Licklider-Revolution-Computing/dp/067089
 9763​ OR
 https://www.amazon.com/Dream-Machine-M-Mitchell-Waldrop-ebook/dp/B07GBCX7Y
 C​)
 ○ Chad- What do you need, 5, 10, 20 years from now? Our research and enterprise
 investment. Companies need to help us, since we can’t necessarily reach out due to size.
 ● Liz- What do we need to do now? What are people excited about?

○ David- Israel and other countries are using mobile data to trace contact between people.
 CS research has the ability to share, but there is also the concern about privacy and
 sharing too much. A way to track health. Could we be doing more of the CS research
 community to connect in a stronger way with health.
● Katie- Did the RSV folks want us to bring in more diverse folks?
 ○ Liz- They wanted us to cover every level of computer science. I want us to think about
 what WE think WE should do. What are the pieces and angles we should take?
 ○ Tom- Way to promote and educate a more general population.
 ■ Liz- We should work with CRA and CRA-WP
 ■ Tom- General research
● Ronitt- For research it is important to know about other areas. To do good research we need to be
 more general, otherwise we will miss really good ideas. We try to look for synergies between
 different areas. Like Fairness and Economics.
● Suresh- Fairness is interdisciplinary, it came because we talked as a research group with a
 interdisciplinary mindset
● Ben- I think the agenda for today was good, SBE and NIH. We need to consider and embrace
 different groups. We do ethics and philosophy in our field, it is a great opportunity for us to
 embrace it.
● Juliana- One area that needs more study is computational reproducibility. Computation has
 democratized. In particular if we are talking about medical research and drug development. We
 need explainability for reproducibility. Understanding the gaps we have nowadays is important to
 understand.
● Nadya- We have entered this emergency crisis but have to consider our privacy and security.
 Right now everyone’s sensitivities is to not worry. I don’t know what a visioning workshop looks
 like in this space. Our risk tolerance of a society we completely off the scales.
● Chad- We are too short driven of what we are thinking about. The growing enrolments. We could
 better education companies. Help us as researchers better think for what we need right now.
● Maria- I think we are going to see a change in the way we do conferencing / share information as
 a community. We are struggling with all the canceling but yet change will come from this.
● Mark- Look around the corner and anticipate big changes coming. How do we better find that
 future? How do we unearth it earlier?
 ○ Suresh- This is the wrong question. You don’t discover the future, you make the future.
 We shouldn’t be waiting for the future to arrive, we should be in consultation with the
 community.
 ○ Nadya- This particular future was articulated a lot. It was managed poorly. It comes back
 to the ecosystem, we as a CCC is on us to make sure we prioritize the research goals.
● Sujata- In CA we do a lot of earthquake prediction. Everything is kinda up in the air, even the
 best school systems are not equipped to deal with online distance learning. There are so many
 issues, but we are not there. Simplifying everything. Way simpler than we think.
 ○ Liz- CCC has done some of this in this direction, but we could broaden our impact.
● Liz- There is going to be a time when people might listen. What can CCC do? “Look if the
 computing research community does ABC then we can address it”

● Dan- Impacts PhD students who would have gone to that conference or that conference to get
 their job. What can we do better? Going into the future? Huge forced experiment on the world.
 ● Liz- Everything is shifting and everything is out of date.
 ● Chad- The internet was not created for communication
 ● Jen- We could do a study on how the internet held up during COVID-19, what is happening in the
 physical world and then what is happening to the internet. It would be a big undertaking. People
 using VPN to get around the bandwidth uses.
 ● Liz- Interesting technology consequences.
 ● Ann-
 ○ AAAS 2021- JULY 14, will start thinking about proposals
 ■ Phoenix in Feb
 ○ NITRD 2021 Celebration in December 2021
 ○ Snowbird 2020- Still up in the air
 ■ Everyone is invited
 ○ Ben- All CCC Council call should be on zoom

Chat Bar:

From Ben Zorn to Everyone: (07:00 AM)
 Chat to everyone here
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (07:00 AM)
 Hi
From David Parkes to Everyone: (07:00 AM)
 hi
From daniellopresti to Everyone: (07:01 AM)
 Hi everyone.
From jrex to Everyone: (07:01 AM)
 Hi!
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (07:04 AM)
 is it just me or is the video horribly buffered
From jrex to Everyone: (07:05 AM)
 Clearly we need a CCC visioning exercise on streaming video
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (07:05 AM)
 if only we had a networking person around
From Ben Zorn to Everyone: (07:06 AM)
 Lol
From Ronitt Rubinfeld to Everyone: (07:06 AM)
 can you share the link for that second one?
From daniellopresti to Everyone: (07:06 AM)
 Yes — the buffering is bad. So perhaps Helen can share the links with everyone to watch later —
definitely worth it — brings a smile at this difficult time.
From Computing Community Consortium to Everyone: (07:06 AM)

Will do- Helen
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (07:07 AM)
 Should we turn off our videos except for speakers?
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (07:08 AM)
 that might help
From Sujata Banerjee to Everyone: (07:08 AM)
 yes. Ann’s video is frozen for me
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (07:08 AM)
 same
From daniellopresti to Everyone: (07:09 AM)
 Ann is frozen, but others are not. May be hard for us to debug this as a black box.
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (07:09 AM)
 I stopped my video @Katie
From Ronitt Rubinfeld to Everyone: (07:09 AM)
 it's depressing not to have video
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (07:09 AM)
 Me too - and now people are moving better.
From Ronitt Rubinfeld to Everyone: (07:09 AM)
 maybe we should develop a random video app
From Computing Community Consortium to Everyone: (07:09 AM)
 Yea, if you are willing to turn yours off, that might be better. -Helen
From Ben Zorn to Everyone: (07:10 AM)
 Great point!
From daniellopresti to Everyone: (07:10 AM)
 We’re all about tradeoffs ...
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (07:11 AM)
 Chrome is the problem
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (07:11 AM)
 chrome is always the problem
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (07:13 AM)
 RE: Restaurants - if you frequent places, call them and buy gift cards for what you would spend in the
next month.
From daniellopresti to Everyone: (07:13 AM)
 Yes — we’re doing curbside pickup from our favorite places. They’re very thankful.
From Andrew Bernat to Everyone: (07:14 AM)
 Note that all CRA employees are on salary and their salaries will continue as will their health care. We
are enormously fortunate and privileged.
From Sujata Banerjee to Everyone: (07:14 AM)
 Yes..good ideas about the restaurants
From daniellopresti to Everyone: (07:15 AM)
 Great to know about CRA employees — I worry about everyone now.
From Me to Everyone: (07:24 AM)

The 5G white paper is being formatted by our printer now, should be up in the next week or so after any
revisions
From Sujata Banerjee to Everyone: (07:24 AM)
 I have to jump out for 10 mins. Sorry
From Ronitt Rubinfeld to Everyone: (07:33 AM)
 how do I raise my hand?
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (07:35 AM)
 Does anyone know of a less sketchy version of Second Life for virtual meetings?
From Sujata Banerjee to Everyone: (07:38 AM)
 back
From David Parkes to Everyone: (07:39 AM)
 Aggregated mobility data could help fight COVID-19,
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/03/20/science.abb8021.full?fbclid=IwAR1jcZK1fxtO4
sKAu1Gno35xKWhvMmK9g7dJa1Lx5u4wMiRjOD5akI2O2Ws
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (07:48 AM)
 http://ieeevr.org/2020/
From Ben Zorn to Everyone: (08:19 AM)
 It reflects that humans are ceding responsibility to software with the capabilities of AI
From Me to Everyone: (08:32 AM)
 SNL on Alexa for seniors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvT_gqs5ETk
From jrex to Everyone: (08:46 AM)
 During break, find your CCC shirt!
From nadya to Everyone: (08:47 AM)
 are we getting all the slides pretty please?
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (08:47 AM)
 look at helens email at least for Fred’s talk
From nadya to Everyone: (08:47 AM)
 got it i have all my apps closed
From daniellopresti to Everyone: (08:48 AM)
 Getting Started with Breakout Rooms – Zoom Help Center support.zoom.us › en-us › articles ›
206476093-Getting-Started-with-... Breakout Rooms allow you to split your Zoom meeting in up to 50
separate sessions. The meeting host can choose to split the participants of the meeting into these separate
sessions automatically or manually, and can switch between sessions at any time. Nah — it’s lunch
time!
From Computing Community Consortium to Everyone: (09:00 AM)
 Yes! I will be posting all the slides on the internal CCC page. I’ll send out the link after the call.
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (09:17 AM)
 I just got a warning from Zoom saying it will quit in 240 minutes. Anyone else?
From daniellopresti to Everyone: (09:17 AM)
 I didn’t see that warning.
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (09:18 AM)
 odd. no
From Ann to Everyone: (09:18 AM)

Re: Kstie’s comment - I haven’t either, and we have a license for this
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (09:41 AM)
 I’m shocked that we don’t have more funky backgrounds
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (09:44 AM)
 @Suresh my computer is not funky enough :(
From nadya to Everyone: (09:49 AM)
 i also do not have the required computing power for such advanced processing tasks
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (09:51 AM)
 Computer vision always wants more from you
From Ann to Everyone: (09:51 AM)
 I like Ian’s Command Center
From Ian Foster to Everyone: (09:56 AM)
 It’s the Chernobyl nuclear reactor control center, as you probably recognize :) I’m careful not to touch
any dials
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (10:01 AM)
 @NeuroIPS people in this community need to grow up and not feel entitled to public funding and
research pubs
From Elizabeth Bradley to Everyone: (10:03 AM)
 Please mute unless you are speaking
From Tom Conte to Everyone: (10:08 AM)
 The slides aren't advancing?
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (10:09 AM)
 good point
From daniellopresti to Everyone: (10:10 AM)
 Maybe restart the screen share?
From Ben Zorn to Everyone: (10:12 AM)
 +1 to executable papers
From Ann to Everyone: (10:13 AM)
 As Helen said earlier, we’ll share the slides on our internal site after the meeting so that you can go back
and look at what you need
From juliana to Everyone: (10:15 AM)
 Ben, if you go to the ACM DL, you will see a growing number of papers that are published with data
and code —look for the facet named “Reproducibility Badges”.
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (10:16 AM)
 @juliana - is this per SIG?
From Ben Zorn to Everyone: (10:17 AM)
 +1 to Reproducibility badges, in PL we have an Artifact Evaluation badge
From juliana to Everyone: (10:17 AM)
 Yes, some SIGs have it, some don’t. I am currently working on a study to collect information about what
the different SIGs are doing.
From Sujata Banerjee to Everyone: (10:17 AM)
 same concept afaik. The PL community leads here
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (10:17 AM)

Reproducibility Badges are ACM-wide. It depends on each journal/SIG to work with ACM Publications
for a proper review practice. https://www.acm.org/publications/artifacts
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (10:18 AM)
 I am eager to see SIGACT’s response ;)
From juliana to Everyone: (10:20 AM)
 ACM SIGMOD started reproducibility evaluation in 2008 And yes — badges and the ability to publish
artifacts with papers are ACM wide, any SIG can do this, but some don’t.
From Ian Foster to Everyone: (10:39 AM)
 HPC-SIG (I think that’s what it I called) is doing this for the SC conference.
From Ben Zorn to Everyone: (10:41 AM)
 +1 to Chad's comments on understanding the error terrain on DNNs
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (10:42 AM)
 yes!!
From Ben Zorn to Everyone: (11:09 AM)
 +1
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (11:45 AM)
 Margaret may be referring to me regarding emailing her about wins. She *definitely* said that people
can email her directly with wins. Now, I just need to get some wins.

From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (11:46 AM)

From Tom Conte to Everyone: (11:54 AM)
 Like to ask a question re: post moore stuff (I'd)
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (11:55 AM)
 @Tom you are muted.
From Ian Foster to Everyone: (11:55 AM)
 I have a question if there is time.
From Tom Conte to Everyone: (11:56 AM)
 Thanks, Chad.
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (11:59 AM)
 +1 Maria! Postbac as well
From jrex to Everyone: (12:00 PM)
 Rather than “Hollywood Squares”, I was thinking “The Brady Bunch”. :)
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (12:00 PM)
 I will take Tom to block.
From gini to Everyone: (12:00 PM)
 Postbac, do you mean research positions or short degrees?
From Ronitt Rubinfeld to Everyone: (12:01 PM)
 the problem with student fellowships is that top places will accept infinite students from that group and
the next level of universities, with super PIs, will not get any help.
From gini to Everyone: (12:02 PM)
 Could the fellowships be given to faculty who will then have to recruit students?
From Andrew Bernat to Everyone: (12:03 PM)

A question - if the number of fellowships was doubled, is there sufficient capacity in the system to
handle the additional PhD students? I have been under the general impression that every PhD student was
funded in any case.
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (12:05 PM)
 re: Maria’s question. it’s like reu allocations - an interesting idea
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (12:05 PM)
 @Maria Post-baccalaureate (“post-bac”) describes programs designed to help a recent college graduate
better transition into a professional or graduate school. This would effectively be spending a year at a
school to work on research and acclimate without being in a degree program, but prepare to be in a degree
program. This may be especially useful for students coming from MSIs, although perhaps less useful for
students from R1 ugrad programs.
From Ben Zorn to Everyone: (12:05 PM)
 PL example: languages like Python, R
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (12:06 PM)
 @andrew not sure what that means. faculty adjust group sizes based on funding so while every PhD
student gets funded there are fewer of them?
From Andrew Bernat to Everyone: (12:07 PM)
 @Suresh That’s my question. Is there capacity to handle additional students even if they come with
money? Faculty can only handle so many.
From Ian Foster to Everyone: (12:09 PM)
 When would we be training too many PhD students?
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (12:09 PM)
 I can’t speak for others, but we are definitely struggling to grow given flat funding and increase in
faculty. so yes
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (12:09 PM)
 given the industry demand for phds I don’t think we are quite there yet
From gini to Everyone: (12:12 PM)
 Capacity of faculty is an issue, I do not have a good answer for that, but I would like to see a broader
pool of students, in particular US students. I like funding postbac programs, but I would really like to
fund Masters students who will be required to do research, not just get a MS course work only. I am
convinced that some of them will decide to stay for PhD after they have a real research experience.
From daniellopresti to Everyone: (12:24 PM)
 Goal is to increase number of really bright undergrads who go to a PhD by making it more prestigious
and financially attractive? Right now I don’t think many are aware they don’t have to pay. Plus, of course,
they feel the pull of industry.
From Me to Everyone: (12:55 PM)
 https://twitter.com/svanglofille/status/1242503792052113412
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (12:57 PM)
 The Science and Technology studies folks will have ideas.
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (12:58 PM)
 yes! also I’m thinking of the history of the modern computing interface and engelbart
From Katie Siek to Me: (Privately) (12:58 PM)
 Nathan Esmenger is a technology historian - http://homes.sice.indiana.edu/nensmeng/bio.html

From Ian Foster to Everyone: (12:58 PM)
 A fascinating book, about the telegraph, “the victorian internet”
From Me to Katie Siek: (Privately) (12:58 PM)
 thanks Katie
From Me to Everyone: (12:58 PM)
 more info about the AAAS paperless media program https://meetings.aaas.org/whats-new/
From Melanie Mitchell to Everyone: (12:58 PM)
 This book is great as well: Walter Isaacson, The Innovators
(https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JGAS65Q/)
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (01:00 PM)
 The Dream Machine by Waldrop:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/722412.The_Dream_Machine
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (01:05 PM)
 +1! @Tom
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (01:05 PM)
 I wish zoom had likes
From Ben Zorn to Everyone: (01:05 PM)
 Me too
From Ronitt Rubinfeld to Everyone: (01:05 PM)
 it has "thumbs up"
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (01:06 PM)
 @Katie, Zoom does have likes and other response icons. However, the system has to be configured for
this. It also has pretty awesome closed captioning.
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (01:06 PM)
 I see the reactions, but they go away Yes - and scary good transcription. I’ve been using it for our
academic misconduct hearings.
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (01:08 PM)
 @Liz CCC should say that computing is overfit currently
From Tom Conte to Everyone: (01:09 PM)
 Alright, the divisions of CRA (CRA-e, etc) are an excellent example of the lack of generalism
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (01:09 PM)
 yes
From Andrew Bernat to Everyone: (01:10 PM)
 Reminds me of academic departments …
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (01:10 PM)
 haha yes
From Melanie Mitchell to Everyone: (01:10 PM)
 I agree with Tom — why are “research” and education always considered separate?
From daniellopresti to Everyone: (01:10 PM)
 Big surprise. :-)
From Andrew Bernat to Everyone: (01:11 PM)
 BTW this siloization (?) is a big piece of CRA’s strategic planning exercise. But what to do is
non-trivial. CCC loves dedicated staff; as does CRA-WP; etc.

From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (01:12 PM)
 I think it’s fair to argue that cs is in a Liminal state right now
From Katie Siek to Everyone:
 No we are not.
From Ian Foster to Everyone:
 “Liminal” here means “intermediate” I think? “in the liminal state between life and death.” What are the
two states?
From Ben Zorn to Everyone: (01:20 PM)
 Covid was eminently predictable and it is possible to be ahead of big problems
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (01:20 PM)
 it doesn’t have to be between life and death? or at least I think of it as the death of the old
From Tom Conte to Everyone: (01:21 PM)
 Before someone goes there, the Rebooting Computing Initiative had an SF author early on and it was a
disaster.
From Ronitt Rubinfeld to Everyone: (01:23 PM)
 i find it extremely hard to use our tools...
From daniellopresti to Everyone: (01:23 PM)
 Ditto!
From Ben Zorn to Everyone: (01:24 PM)
 Helping the elderly with technology would be a huge contribution to society
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (01:24 PM)
 we are having a debate on our faculty slack about which of slack, zoom and teams is the worst
From nadya to Everyone: (01:24 PM)
 I am very crappy tech support :) but am trying
From Tom Conte to Everyone: (01:24 PM)
 @Ben +1
From Ronitt Rubinfeld to Everyone: (01:24 PM)
 i get my mom on zoom by facetiming her and putting the phone up to my zoom screen
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (01:24 PM)
 Elderly… underserved communities… rural… lots of groups.
From Ben Zorn to Everyone: (01:25 PM)
 Katie +1
From Tom Conte to Everyone: (01:25 PM)
 @Katie, good point.
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (01:25 PM)
 places without widespread internet across the world ore I’
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (01:26 PM)
 Right now, that is the main issue for our local school district teaching students. I was talking to our
district Ed Tech about putting internet on some buses and driving them out to make access points in the
more rural areas.
From Andrew Bernat to Everyone: (01:26 PM)

Back to the pandemic. NASA had ample evidence that cold was not healthy for o-rings. Their
subsequent study demonstrated how not falling victim actually increases your ignoring future potential
disasters.
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (01:26 PM)
 oreilly just announced they are cancelling their tech conferences permanently
From Ian Foster to Everyone: (01:26 PM)
 How many predictions have been made of this sort? I.e., what is the false positive rate?
From Tom Conte to Everyone: (01:27 PM)
 "Prediction is hard, especially about the future"
From nadya to Everyone: (01:27 PM)
 hahaha
From Ian Foster to Everyone: (01:27 PM)
 It would be good to have that info to support the case
From Sujata Banerjee to Everyone: (01:31 PM)
 Life is one long Zoom meeting. :-)
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (01:32 PM)
 :(
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (01:34 PM)
 Baba Booey
From Tom Conte to Everyone: (01:35 PM)
 One change is having to clean up my study
From jrex to Everyone: (01:35 PM)
 NRC study on internet under crisis conditions: https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~jrex/papers/nrc-911.pdf
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (01:36 PM)
 +1 to Tom… #StillWorkingOnIt
From Tom Conte to Everyone: (01:36 PM)
 hahaha, me too. That's why the camera is pointed up
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (01:37 PM)
 virtual backgrounds ftw
From Elizabeth Bradley to Everyone: (01:38 PM)
 Beer thirty?
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (01:38 PM)
 please
From Tom Conte to Everyone: (01:38 PM)
 As a hw person, I'm embarrassed to say my hw is not up to the task. (I've ordered a green screen from
B&H)
From Elizabeth Bradley to Everyone: (01:38 PM)
 Better yet, a quarantini!

From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (01:39 PM)

From nadya to Everyone: (01:39 PM)
 how are you doing emojis? yes to all of those
From jrex to Everyone: (01:39 PM)

FCC workshop on Internet resiliency in light of Hurricane Sandy:
https://edas.info/web/fcc-nr2013/program.html
From Elizabeth Bradley to Everyone: (01:39 PM)
 Yeah! How?
From Tom Conte to Everyone: (01:39 PM)
 (on a PC, Windows + .)
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (01:39 PM)
 just switch the keyboard on the iPad

From Andrew Bernat to Everyone: (01:40 PM)
 ☺Mac emoji keyboard icon
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (01:42 PM)
 @markhill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2uMYyAKFvU
From daniellopresti to Everyone: (01:43 PM)
 Totally agree! Zoom is nice.
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (01:43 PM)
 +1 zoom group meetings .
From Khari to Everyone: (03:55 PM)
 https://twitter.com/svanglofille/status/1242503792052113412
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (03:57 PM)
 The Science and Technology studies folks will have ideas.
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (03:58 PM)
 yes! also I’m thinking of the history of the modern computing interface and engelbart
From Ian Foster to Everyone: (03:58 PM)
 A fascinating book, about the telegraph, “the victorian internet”
From Khari to Everyone: (03:58 PM)
 more info about the AAAS paperless media program https://meetings.aaas.org/whats-new/
From Melanie Mitchell to Everyone: (03:58 PM)
 This book is great as well: Walter Isaacson, The Innovators
(https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JGAS65Q/)
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (04:00 PM)
 The Dream Machine by Waldrop:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/722412.The_Dream_Machine
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (04:05 PM)
 +1! @Tom
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (04:05 PM)
 I wish zoom had likes
From Ben Zorn to Everyone: (04:05 PM)
 Me too
From Ronitt Rubinfeld to Everyone: (04:05 PM)
 it has "thumbs up"
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (04:06 PM)
 @Katie, Zoom does have likes and other response icons. However, the system has to be configured for
this. It also has pretty awesome closed captioning.

From Katie Siek to Everyone: (04:06 PM)
 I see the reactions, but they go away Yes - and scary good transcription. I’ve been using it for our
academic misconduct hearings.
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (04:08 PM)
 @Liz CCC should say that computing is overfit currently
From Tom Conte to Everyone: (04:09 PM)
 Alright, the divisions of CRA (CRA-e, etc) are an excellent example of the lack of generalism
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (04:09 PM)
 yes
From Andrew Bernat to Everyone: (04:10 PM)
 Reminds me of academic departments …
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (04:10 PM)
 haha yes
From Melanie Mitchell to Everyone: (04:10 PM)
 I agree with Tom — why are “research” and education always considered separate?
From daniellopresti to Everyone: (04:10 PM)
 Big surprise. :-)
From Andrew Bernat to Everyone: (04:11 PM)
 BTW this siloization (?) is a big piece of CRA’s strategic planning exercise. But what to do is
non-trivial. CCC loves dedicated staff; as does CRA-WP; etc.
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (04:12 PM)
 I think it’s fair to argue that cs is in a Liminal state right now
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (04:19 PM)
 No we are not.
From Ian Foster to Everyone: (04:19 PM)
 “Liminal” here means “intermediate” I think? “in the liminal state between life and death.” What are the
two states?
From Ben Zorn to Everyone: (04:20 PM)
 Covid was eminently predictable and it is possible to be ahead of big problems
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (04:20 PM)
 it doesn’t have to be between life and death? or at least I think of it as the death of the old
From Tom Conte to Everyone: (04:21 PM)
 Before someone goes there, the Rebooting Computing Initiative had an SF author early on and it was a
disaster.
From Ronitt Rubinfeld to Everyone: (04:23 PM)
 i find it extremely hard to use our tools...
From daniellopresti to Everyone: (04:23 PM)
 Ditto!
From Ben Zorn to Everyone: (04:24 PM)
 Helping the elderly with technology would be a huge contribution to society
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (04:24 PM)
 we are having a debate on our faculty slack about which of slack, zoom and teams is the worst
From nadya to Everyone: (04:24 PM)

I am very crappy tech support :) but am trying
From Tom Conte to Everyone: (04:24 PM)
 @Ben +1
From Ronitt Rubinfeld to Everyone: (04:24 PM)
 i get my mom on zoom by facetiming her and putting the phone up to my zoom screen
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (04:24 PM)
 Elderly… underserved communities… rural… lots of groups.
From Ben Zorn to Everyone: (04:25 PM)
 Katie +1
From Tom Conte to Everyone: (04:25 PM)
 @Katie, good point.
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (04:25 PM)
 places without widespread internet across the world ore I’
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (04:26 PM)
 Right now, that is the main issue for our local school district teaching students. I was talking to our
district Ed Tech about putting internet on some buses and driving them out to make access points in the
more rural areas.
From Andrew Bernat to Everyone: (04:26 PM)
 Back to the pandemic. NASA had ample evidence that cold was not healthy for o-rings. Their
subsequent study demonstrated how not falling victim actually increases your ignoring future potential
disasters.
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (04:26 PM)
 oreilly just announced they are cancelling their tech conferences permanently
From Ian Foster to Everyone: (04:26 PM)
 How many predictions have been made of this sort? I.e., what is the false positive rate?
From Tom Conte to Everyone: (04:27 PM)
 "Prediction is hard, especially about the future"
From nadya to Everyone: (04:27 PM)
 hahaha
From Ian Foster to Everyone: (04:27 PM)
 It would be good to have that info to support the case
From Sujata Banerjee to Everyone: (04:31 PM)
 Life is one long Zoom meeting. :-)
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (04:32 PM)
 :(
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (04:34 PM)
 Baba Booey
From Tom Conte to Everyone: (04:35 PM)
 One change is having to clean up my study
From jrex to Everyone: (04:35 PM)
 NRC study on internet under crisis conditions: https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~jrex/papers/nrc-911.pdf
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (04:36 PM)
 +1 to Tom… #StillWorkingOnIt

From Tom Conte to Everyone: (04:36 PM)
 hahaha, me too. That's why the camera is pointed up
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (04:37 PM)
 virtual backgrounds ftw
From Elizabeth Bradley to Everyone: (04:38 PM)
 Beer thirty?
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (04:38 PM)
 please
From Tom Conte to Everyone: (04:38 PM)
 As a hw person, I'm embarrassed to say my hw is not up to the task. (I've ordered a green screen from
B&H)
From Elizabeth Bradley to Everyone: (04:38 PM)
 Better yet, a quarantini!

From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (04:39 PM)

From nadya to Everyone: (04:39 PM)
 how are you doing emojis? yes to all of those
From jrex to Everyone: (04:39 PM)
 FCC workshop on Internet resiliency in light of Hurricane Sandy:
https://edas.info/web/fcc-nr2013/program.html
From Elizabeth Bradley to Everyone: (04:39 PM)
 Yeah! How?
From Tom Conte to Everyone: (04:39 PM)
 (on a PC, Windows + .)
From Suresh Venkatasubramanian to Everyone: (04:39 PM)
 just switch the keyboard on the iPad

From Andrew Bernat to Everyone: (04:40 PM)
 ☺Mac emoji keyboard icon
From Chad Jenkins to Everyone: (04:42 PM)
 @markhill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2uMYyAKFvU
From daniellopresti to Everyone: (04:43 PM)
 Totally agree! Zoom is nice.
From Katie Siek to Everyone: (04:43 PM)
 +1 zoom group meetings
From daniellopresti to Everyone: (04:44 PM)
 Be safe!

Hi Juliana,

I wanted to second what you said at the CCC meeting just now about explaining and debugging data
analysis/ML approaches.